by Golden Dawn Imperator
On the heels of our recent Solstice working to bind Daesh, the naysayers and Magick debunkers are coming out of the woodwork this morning. Surprisingly, one of one such naysayer turned out to be A.A. boss Paul Joseph Rovelli, leader of the "Gnostic Church of LVX." I think you might find our interaction from this morning entertaining. I had been waiting to give this guy a piece of my mind ever since he attacked Donald Michael Kraig while he was dying of cancer.
Paul Joseph RovelliPaul Joseph Rovelli: And we can see how well this ignorant idea worked...people that think magick is just like the prayers of the superstitious religions...always asking for boons from God...are practicing pure inanity.
David Griffin: Ignorant? Hey, I'm not surprised to hear you making such remarks. This sadly shows you don't seem to understand very well how Magick really works. Heck, judging from your words, you apparently don't even BELIEVE in Magick. Why am I not surprised, considering how you attacked Donald Michael Kraig and his family while Don was in bed DYING of cancer. Hey, Roveli, since I never had the chance to tell you before, thanks for giving me the opportunity to tell you now and to your face to your face what an asshole move that was. Judging by the Kraig incident, Paul Rovelli is not a nice person.
Paul Joseph Rovelli: Ad hominem attack is the favorite tool of intellectually inferior people...thanks for making it so obvious. And yes, belief is the tool of superstitious people...magick for those withears, operates outside this realm.
David Griffin: I notice you never attacked Kraig when he was alive and writing on the Llewellyn blog. No. You waited until he was dying and couldn't defend himself. Or do you only attack the weak and dying?
Paul Joseph Rovell: No I waited until his fundraiser came into my church fundraiser to try to divert funds from my efforts...and we see how the superstitious healing ritual worked regarding his cancer...eh?
David Griffin: So the reason you attacked Donald Michael Kraig on his deathbed was because our fundraising for his medical bills was diverting money from YOU!?!?!?!?! Now I really think you are a not a good person.
David Griffin: Yeah, right. "All magick is superstition" is the position you are arguing. Sorry. You are just plain wrong.
Paul Joseph Rovelli: No...magick means wisdom and miracles are superstition...the formulae of magick requires tools, such as the magickal link, which was missing in your futile and ignorantly unsuccessful rite...just like your unsuccessful craigmhealing...and likemchristian prayer...asking for boons...superstitious andmstupid...magick uses a greater intell7gence than your obviously capable of.
David Griffin: To begin with Paul, your assumption that "either you see the effects of Magick overnight or it didnt work" is just plain ignorant of how Magick really works. What kind of a Magick teacher makes statements like this? Hey, Paul I hear that James Randi is hiring. You would fit right in on his team of sceptics and debunkers.Paul Joseph Rovelli: And again, all you can do is attack my character and not my argument...very foolish.
David Griffin: Actually, I atacked your assumption that "either you see the effects of Magick overnight or that proves it was all just superstation.“ Such a foolish statement shows very little understanding about Magick. Care to defend that argument now that people see it for what it really is?
Paul Joseph Rovelli: Gotta go now, but hey, keep on whining...and while your at it, show us the proof of when and how your magick will work.
David Griffin: Of course you have to go now that you are cornered to actually defend an intellectual position instead of just name calling for a change. You should really think about taking that job with occult debunker, James Randi. Randi uses the same ridiculous arguments against Magick and Magicians that you do. The only difference between you, Paul, and James Randi is that James Randi doesn't pretend to be a Magick teacher. James Randi at least is open and honest about being a sceptic and a debunker, whereas you pretend to be a Magician while you recite James Randi's litany of arguments. I pity the students who to come to learn Magick from a debunker pretending to be a Magick teacher. You Sir, are like the blind leading the blind.
Was I too harsh on Rovelli? I don't think so. He deserved it. Paul Rovelli is the guy who attacked the entire Golden Dawn community because we were fundraising to help with Donald Michael Kraig's medical bills while he was dying of cancer. What kind of person does something like this? Paul Rovelli is not a good person and I am grateful to have finally had the opportuinty to say it to his face.
Before I close for today, so this email isn't just about gossip, Rovelli’s arguments give me the chance to clear up a couple of points about Magick and Spellcasting:
1. Don’t expect results overnight.
Magick doesn’t work like that. Magick does frequently produce profound results in the outer world, but things don't usually happen overnight. Just like any plant, you begin by planting seeds. Eventually, there will be fruit, but don’t expect it tomorrow.
2. Magickal links are important.
Rovelli is correct that Magick works better with a direct link to the target. Rovelli doesn’t seem to understand though that such a Magickal link can be anything from as personal as hair or nail clippings to as abstract as the logo of a company or the flag of a country. In the recent Daesh working, for example, I used the Daesh flag for this purpose. Sure, I would rather have used the turban of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, but the Daesh flag worked quite nicely any way.
3. Faith Based Magick.
Rovelli is wrong in condemning faith based Magick. Clearly, you do not need faith for Magick to work. There are other kinds of Magick that work completely without faith. But if faith based Magick didn't work at all, Christians wouldn’t still be using prayer the way they do 2,000 years later. There are ways to make this kind of Magick work even better as well. By understanding the esoteric and magickal principles that underly faith based Magick, you can make it even more effective than simple prayer. This is one of the things we cover in our new Spellworking course.
More to come soon.