Friday, May 31, 2013

SATANISM & SRIA 1: "Christian" Leaders Obsessed with Magick and the Occult?


SRIA Supreme Magus, John R.Paternoster

Rumors have circulated since 2005 of a "Satanist coup" at the highest levels of leadership of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia (S.R.I.A.).

As a Pagan, the entire discussion seems quite superfluous at first glance. Considering, however, that present S.R.I.A. leaders have already co-opted numerous G.D. leaders in our community, effectively bringing entire orders under their dominion, Golden Dawn members of all faiths have reason to be concerned. 

S.R.I.A. leaders teach a segregationist, "Trinitarian Christians only" view of the Rosicrucian tradition and argue even that the Golden Dawn is "Christian" (See Peregrin Wildoak's argument here). The only way to properly evaluate S.R.I.A.'s 2005 "Satanist coup" schism, therefore, is through a Trinitarian Christian lens.

What is certain is that there was a mass exodus of S.R.I.A. members surrounding a controversial change in leadership when dentist, John R. Paternoster, seized power as S.R.I.A.'s Supreme Magus. The Society did their best to keep the affair quiet, including an alleged cover-up at the highest levels of S.R.I.A. Nonetheless, a certain amount of information did eventually surface on the Internet. For example, "Zac" wrote here in 2006:
"The Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia, known in the Masonic world as the SRIA, has been taken over secretly by those adhering to Satanism. 

The Society is presently led by Fra. John R. Paternoster, a dentist from Bishops Stortford in Hertfordshire, who was elected by some of the ruling members of the SRIA in dubious circumstances early in September 2005. But what most members of the Society do not know is that he has been writing regularly for The Oracle – Occult Magazine which is published in London every three months. On the publishers’ website it is claimed to be a serious journal examining the supernatural. 

One of Fra. Paternoster’s first acts on taking up control as Supreme Magus was to appoint another adherent of Satanism, Fra. ‘Mike’ Crowson, to be the Director-General of Studies for the whole Society. He has been advertising his occult practices (based in London) and his connections with fringe groups in The Oracle for some time. He is also the webmaster for the publishers. He claims to be a Christian but refuses to affirm in public any belief in the Trinitarian Christian faith...

...The latest issues of The Oracle are entirely devoted to devil worship, witchcraft, the Black Mass and other similarly obscene topics. They also contain explicit drawings about masturbation and swearing. Fra. Paternoster has written articles for both issues as the ‘Supreme Magus’ of the Society. That is stated quite clearly in print. So the name of the SRIA and therefore of English freemasons generally has been clearly connected with this occult magazine. 

Copies of these magazines were received last month by the Grand Secretaries of the United Grand Lodge of England (in Great Queen Street), The Supreme Council 33° (in Duke Street) and the Grand Lodge of Mark Masons (in St James’ Street). So the leaders of English Freemasonry have known about this Satanic involvement at the top of the SRIA for some time. 

At 2.00 pm on Wednesday 22 February 2006 the General Purposes Committee of the SRIA met in emergency session at the Society’s London headquarters in Hampstead in the presence of Fra. Paternoster and Fra. Crowson. Most of the Committee are appointees of Fra. Paternoster. 

They met to consider several formal complaints against this occult involvement of their leader and his close associate which had been received from other senior Fratres from various parts of the world. Fra. Paternoster, in writing his articles in The Oracle, has been fully supported by the Society’s Deputy Chaplain-General, a non-ordained senior London freemason, Fra. Arthur Craddock, who is also a Past Grand Steward of the United Grand Lodge of England. 

However, what is not generally known is that a few members of the Committee met secretly in ‘The Flask’, a pub just off the Hampstead High Street, before the official start of the scheduled meeting. Later on at the Committee meeting one of these, Fra. Ronald Pike – the Superior of the Order of Essenes and the Chaplain-General of the SRIA – produced a draft hand-written statement setting out the route which they wanted the rest of the Committee to take. So a cover-up had been arranged even before the Committee met formally.

After only about one hour’s discussion and according to the official circulated Minutes, the Committee decided by a vote of only 6 with three abstentions - hardly surprisingly in the circumstances considering who appointed them - ‘that, for the good of the Society, the less said about this the better’ and ‘expressed the view that, in view of the number of resignations that have already taken place, more would cause confusion, particularly among our younger members, which should be avoided at all costs’ – which is just the sort of cover-up which the Church itself has been accused of in the past. 

At the time the Committee had been made aware that the SRIA is known on the internet, for example in Yahoo chat-rooms, as being involved by its ‘Supreme Magus’ with The Oracle – Occult Magazine. Even so they instructed the Secretary-General to circulate their amazingly arrogant decision to all members thereby hoping that this covert intrusion by those adhering to Satanism will be covered up.

But if these leading Fratres know about this appalling infection at the top of the Society, then perhaps others – including ordinary Christian members like yourself should know about it too."
The involvement of S.R.I.A. Supreme Magus, John Paternoster, in the "Oracle Occult Magazine" is easily verified on the Oracle's MySpace page here (The titles of the other articles are quite revealing concerning the above allegations of Satanism).


I already pointed out last week the absurdity of Trinitarian Christian S.R.I.A. leaders and their G.D. puppets arguing that the Golden Dawn is a "Christian" tradition. It should be quite obvious that the Golden Dawn is Non-sectarian, not Christian. The Golden Dawn is a MAGICAL order and Magick has been at all times condemned by Christianity in no uncertain terms.

Unsurprisingly, no S.R.I.A. leader nor any Golden Dawn leader under their dominion has had anything at all to say in defense of their original argument. This is because there is nothing they can say, since there is no rational explanation for Trinitarian Christians to be so obsessed with Magick and Magical orders. To put it simply ...

"Their silence is deafening!"

Instead, as a diversionary tactic, a host of leaders of S.R.I.A. licensed or affiliated Golden Dawn orders, published a barrage of articles (by Donald Michael KraigPeregrin WildoakNick FarrellAaron Leitch, and Morgan Eckstein), each arguing in favor of using Magick for making money and other material gain.

As a Pagan, I have nothing at all against practical Magick.  In fact, I revealed the keys to unlock the entire Golden Dawn system for practical Magick in Chapter 6 of the Ritual Magick Manual. (As a purely technical matter, I do always make clear that spiritual development proceeds faster if a Magician focuses on Magick purely for energetic evolution rather than for material gain, however).

But what about the Trinitarian Christian, present S.R.I.A. leaders' obsession with Magical Golden Dawn orders?
"According to Trinitarian Christianity, the practice of Witchcraft and Magick are regarded as Sins that need to be repented of, confessed, and forsaken."
Anyone who approaches ANY of the “Christian” denominations and asks if that particular group would allow for ANY form of Magick to be performed as part of an approach to Jesus as God, they would be denied. 

If no Christian denomination (including the Anglican church most S.R.I.A. members belong to) will permit Magick to be practiced within the canon of their teachings, then why are S.R.I.A. leaders so obsessed with controlling MAGICAL Golden Dawn orders?

After all:
  • The Christian Bible is filled with injunctions against Magick. For example:
  • The struggle between St. Peter and the Magician, Simon Magus.
  • Leviticus and Deuteronomy prohibit certain kinds of Magick, specifically divination, seeking omens, mediums who commune with the dead, and spell-casters.
  • Exodus 22:18 states: "Do not allow a sorceress to live".
  • Galatians includes sorcery in a list of "works of the flesh".
  • This ban is repeated in the Didache, written during the mid to late first century.
  • Martin Luther shared some of the views about witchcraft that were common in his time. In his Small Catechism Luther taught that Magick was a sin against the second commandment.
  • The Rituale Romanum De Sacramento Paenitantiae specifically lists Magick and Astrology as mortal sins, and illucidates the following for grounds for excommunication from the Church: "Who adheres to Magical beliefs such as the Magic of Cartomancy, Astrology, and all esoteric practices or who converts to other faiths such as Masonry or Rosicrucianism.
Evangelical Christian groups, likewise condemn Magick, Numerous Christian groups even go so far as to condemn ANY form of Magick as Satanism

What would these Christian groups say about people who try to control esoteric orders that teach Magick or even those who advocate Magick for money and material gain?

Are these not Satanists when viewed through a Trinitarian Christian lens?

As Trinitarian Christians, the efforts by current S.R.I.A. leaders to bring Magical Golden Dawn orders under their dominion through trademark licensing and co-opting G.D. leaders makes no sense at all.

Trinitarian Christians condemn Magick, not practice it or teach it.

On the other hand, if the above rumors are true - and S.R.I.A. leadership was indeed toppled by Satanists as rumored in 2005, then the obsession of today's S.R.I.A. leaders with Magick, the Occult, and the Golden Dawn suddenly all makes perfect sense.

At least one thing is certain - Rank and file members of S.R.I.A. deserve some real answers to tough questions!


151 comments:

  1. Oh my Goddess! Did this article ever stir up a hornet's nest. It seems that a real sensitive nerve got touched with this whole Christians+ Magick=Satanism thing.

    Well, at least judging from the firestorm of gossip about this article over on Facebook. And you all know how I HATE gossip. In fact, I hate it so much that I am going to cross-post all of it I can find here, so you don't have to go dig it out yourselves!

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    1. That's part of what I so love about this Blog! ;-)

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    2. Christians+Magick DOES = Satanism! [In their own eyes.] If they were working with a REAL God/Goddess, of course, they would cease being Christians, and become Pagans. Horny Lords and Ladies of the World Unite!

      Anyway wasn't a satan just an "opponent", almost in a legal sense? Maybe that's why these guys are so oppositional.

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  2. Peregrin Wildoak wrote: "Apparently, and I have this on good AUTHORITY, there's a whole bevy of GD leaders out there pretending to be Pagan but who are really members of a Trinitarian Christian organisation that is a secret front for Satanists. Hurts me head, it does"

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    1. Hold on here. Are you pretending to be Pagan again Pippin?

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    2. But on your blog you say you are Anglican! So which is it?

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    3. And by the way, what do Anglicans call people who play with Magick? Satanists?

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    4. Anglican Pagans who are part-time Buddhists and hold Charters from leaders of Trinitarian Only document mills owned by English Masons... haha. Too complicated for Dan Brown. Magicians of the Anglican Church - next there'll be a Dalai Lama taking over the Chinese Communist Party!

      Pippin just wants to sell books, that's all. Give the poor muffin a break - he can't help his venality. If he doesn't sell books he'll have to get a proper job.

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    5. In the UK many Anglicans are just following in the family "Religion" - but very rarely go through the doors of a Church unless it be for a Funeral or Marriage, or.... but here is someone who has CONVERTED - I mean WOW - that is so rare these days. Someone actually joined without being forced into it at birth!

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    6. That Wildoak would say such a thing portrays his lurid plans. So now it is the other way around?

      Was not the initial words something to the likes of spiritual bereftness of not being sworn to the church? One would have it that the preacher fell short of a few apples on his way to the market, that he would now profess the Opposite of his original claim: That no original Order of the Rose could be without the Christian lawfulness of Religion.

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    7. It seems to me that good old Wildoak found himself lost for words at the politics of his own words.
      That you would be privvy to slander, Sir, in the house of the Lord: why that baffles me.
      To claim solicious comprehension on the Word and Work of the Rose, in front of Her caretakers, and then as a sleight of hand revoke the words spoken ... Why that is nothing short of treachery!
      Repent in the name of the Rose of the Garden, and seek not deluge of your people anymore.

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    1. Yeah, Nick. Sounds pretty wierd to me too!

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  4. Richard Levy wrote: "What a life they don't live lol"

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    1. Yeah, Rich, what a life it must be as Magician belonging to a church that condemns Magick as Satanic! Go figure.

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    2. "Nice" ad hominem sideswipe...

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    3. The thing with Satanism is - if I read it right, there is a love of strict hierarchy and rulership by fear... it must be tough not being a Leader in a Cult like that; Everyone has a foot on your head! Poor Pippin.

      If the Anglican CONVERSION is his way of rising through the ranks of SRIA then he must have a headache by now.

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    4. The meaning of life in a typical day for your local Anglican Magician Mason Segregationist-Rosicrucian Author... is one of pretending that the word oxymoron does not exist.

      The guy must explain to us HOW he manages all that - it must take a lot of energy to keep up the juggling act.

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  5. Josephine McCarthy worte: "lol....wow...cool...."

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    1. Cool that the bizarre inconsistency of Trinitarian Christians playing with Magick that their own church says is Satanist!

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    2. The inconsistency is just SO bizarre that one wonders how they can ever remain inside Anglicanism. The news will get out eventually... there is no way this is ending well for them while the Church continues condemning Pagans and Magicians. (Even if some of them are powerfully placed in society.)

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    3. I wonder how many rank and file SRIA members have known about their leaders obsession with magick and the occult.

      This article must have come as a bit of a surprise to them. Pippin suggests that this is all made up and "daft" but the above quoted article can be easily verified on the net and was published already in 2005.

      The question remaining is how well it was covered up back then, or if SRIA rank and file members have known since then or not.

      Another interesting question is how much the UGLE knows about the SRIA leader's obsession with magick and how long they have known. The article says since 2005. This may end up being a huge scandal in British Masonry.

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    4. If they have known and not ACTED... then this is a mind-boggling scandal waiting in the wings.

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    5. Alitheia,

      Well, the "Zac" 2005 article says about the Paternoster involvement with the Oracle Occult Magazine:

      " ...The latest issues of The Oracle are entirely devoted to devil worship, witchcraft, the Black Mass and other similarly obscene topics. They also contain explicit drawings about masturbation and swearing. Fra. Paternoster has written articles for both issues as the ‘Supreme Magus’ of the Society. That is stated quite clearly in print. So the name of the SRIA and therefore of English freemasons generally has been clearly connected with this occult magazine.

      Copies of these magazines were received last month by the Grand Secretaries of the United Grand Lodge of England (in Great Queen Street), The Supreme Council 33° (in Duke Street) and the Grand Lodge of Mark Masons (in St James’ Street). So the leaders of English Freemasonry have known about this Satanic involvement at the top of the SRIA for some time."

      How else can that be read?

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    6. It MAY be read that the scandal is being avoided thus far, with the support of some powerful people weighing in against it... bearing in mind the number of Judges and senior Policemen, and the Royal connections in Freemasonry.

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    7. The General Secretaries are probably terrified of the scandal that could break, and hope that it will all just go away... or else they are also involved.

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  6. Ashley Karstunen wrote: "Is this that whole 'SRIA is trying to destroy the GD' thing again?"

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    1. They don't want to destroy the GD. They just want to OWN it. And it is not everyone in SRIA either. Only the leaders that are obsessed with the occult, apparently.

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    2. Awesome scholarship and deep reading from Ms Karstunen there.

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    3. Indeed Soror - this misscharacterization of the actual argument is intended to deflect attention form the substance of what has been stated in some detail on this blog and elsewhere. Even an SRIA Historian has published on the organization's attempts to distort historical record in the drive to take ownership of Lineages they do not have.

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    4. Caput, are you referring to Bruce Wilson's paper about how Wescott tried to take the GD Rosicrucian lineage?

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    5. I am referring to the work of Bruce Wilson yes - there was also the attempt by Manchester College of Soc. Ros. to claim the author of "it was a dark and stormy night" as a member. But then "the pen is mightier than the sword" in quest for "the almighty dollar", and Bulwer-Lytton received an apology from Yarker.

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  7. Craig Schumacher "Hmmm. Why not just be openly Satanist?"

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    1. Because if SRIA leaders admitted publicly that they are secretly practicing "Satanic" Magick, all of their Trinitarian Members would run, not walk, to the nearest exit. As well they should since they have apparently been duped.

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    2. Haha. What? Did you ever see an open Satanist in high public office?

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    3. He he. Are they not ALL Satanists? My Mom used to say that all politicians are liers, because if they weren't, they would never get elected.

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  8. Scott Duncan Gilliam: "Wow, that's a complicated plot."

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    1. The whole thing has me scratching my head too, Scott.

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    2. Well it has been going on for quite some time now.

      "Occupy GD" :-)

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    3. So it has. So it ever was. Power has always corrupted weak people.

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    4. Which was "Son of Occupy Rosicrucianism Part III - the Wrath of Trinitarianism" (coming to screens near you, this Summer!) ;-)

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    5. "Occupy GD"?????

      Did you coin that phrase yourself, Sister? That one is bound to be around for a while.

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    6. "Occupy GD" - Perfect. Love it. Where is the next event?

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  9. Catherine Williamson: "too much time or too much weed... or probably both"

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    1. Would you please pass both over here, Catherine?

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    2. Seems more like a bad batch of hashish to me - must have been cut with strychnine and a dose of angel dust to add sparkle. Magicians in Anglican Robes - nahhhhhh!

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  10. Scott Duncan Gilliam "The War of the Roses' all over again?"

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    1. Naw. There is no Golden Dawn war. That is a myth. Read the new Golden Dawn commentaries book and you will see for yourself. We all get along just fine.

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    2. War, what War? There was never any War. Who would say such a thing? Why misinterpret spirited debate for a War? ;-)

      This is just one big, boringly normal family (i.e. dysfunctional.)

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    3. Actually the whole Golden Dawn community gets along perfectly. Just look at the Flying Rolls book. One big happy family.

      The misimpression the public gets comes from the a handful of Satanist Masons pretending to be Christians.

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    4. They will pretend to be anything that keeps their noses close to power.

      GD remains resolutely united by SO much that is similar - Knowledge Lectures, Rituals, Objectives... that it STILL refuses to be taken over after more than 100 years of attempts.

      Our differences are miniscule in comparison to our common ground. This family will continue on from strength to strength.

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  11. James Clark "Okay... ? What? Really?"

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    1. Yep really. Trinitarian Christian Masons who are also segregationist Rosicrucians playing with Magick their own church calls "Satanic." Go figure.

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    2. We are living in a Monty Python script. Do we have any good cartoonists on staff?

      I only wish it were untrue.

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    3. "E's not the Messiah. E's a very naughty boy"

      Monty Pythons, the Life of Brian

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    4. Do Trinitarian Satanists believe in the Devil, the Antichrist and the Unholy Spirit? Do they wear the Rose-Croix upside down and trample on Roses? The more I read on this the more it sounds like good old self-serving power games from those who will adopt ANY guise if it will keep their agenda going, or their books in print.

      There are no Anglicans who are openly Magicians. They would be shunned as Satanists. Period.

      What on earth is Wildoak's game?

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    5. He really IS the community Jester - he's doing a great job. His books aren't half bad actually.

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  12. Matt English "I was disappointed there were no star trek/poorly photoshopped faces. Those abominations truly make it all worth while..."

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    1. Yeah, Matt. I kind of miss all the Trekkie references too. Maybe some with that dishy new Captain, and the new Spock with the hot eyebrows!?!?!?!?

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    2. Ooooh we could finally cast Deanna Troi...!

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    3. Speaking of which, is that new Checkov gorgeous. Kahn, on the other hand, looks like they found him on a basketball bench.

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    1. Yep, Masons. Christian Masons. Christians only Rosicrucian Masons. Anglican Rosicrucian Masons. Rosicrucian Masons playing with Magick branded Satanic by the Anglicans. Go figure.

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    2. Segregationist Christian Masons who believe that all powerful Egregorae should be either a) owned (by them), or b) destroyed.

      En route to b) they are content to create discord, weaken via divide and conquer tactics, etc. That is why we refuse to be tricked into Wars.

      (Pssssst: The GD is more important than you realized.)

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    3. If it looks like a Satanist, and acts like a Satanist, accam's razor says its a Satanist.

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    4. Even its own Church would call it a Satanist - I think we are on safe ground acknowledging it as a Satanist.

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  14. Steve Black Name & Shame - Petra & Steve.

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    1. Aw come on, Steve. You really can't expect Peregrin to name names. It wouldn't be juicy gossip if he did that. But then again, if Pippin merely clapped his trap, then I wouldn't have any juicy gossip to cross-post here. After all, enquiring minds want to know!

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    2. Let's hear it for Pippin! We were all getting bored so he stepped up to the plate and got us all talking again. Every village needs its Jester.

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    3. I have not had this much fun since N.F. published our secret rituals. Bravo, Peregrin. Keep up the good work, Frater.

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  15. Peregrin Wildoak Sorry, Petra and Steve - like me dad always says, "No names, no pack drill."

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    1. Exactly, and nothing for me to cross-post either. Thanks for that, Pippin. I have not had so much fun since last year.

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    2. He just hates to give you any publicity - this Blog is already waaaaaaay too successful for his liking, ;-)

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  16. Carl de Malmanche Yeah just accuse everyone, cause that always works much better. Also means insinuation and backstabbing are much easier to accomplish as if there's no names there's no defence or accountability. Guess which bits I _don't_ miss about the pagan "scene".

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    1. Interesting. What I read was rather referring to the leadership and they were named.

      A bit confused as to the line of argument here.

      Oh well.

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    2. Yep. Pippin is great at that, but he is not Pagan. He is Anglican. So please go lay that at their door, not our Pagan door.

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    3. The problem with Anglicans, Pagans, and everyone else in the shadow of Paulist Crosstianity, is that the culture is itself riddled with unacknowledged complexes, shame, guilt, etc. This is at least consciously worked on in Pagan circles, but the urge to backstab and viciously and dishonestly malign others through innuendo is already established in so many damaged people before even High School age. Let's hope that Pippin and his familiars hiding under the pulpit will get over their torment.

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    4. Keep the guilt for yourself, Caput. I do not buy into all of that fear and guilt nonsense. By the way, are not fear and guilt the weapons of choice for black magicians?

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    5. It really isn't a PAGAN trait - it is an emotionally sick person trait. In this case it is coming from an Anglican and Trinitarian, SRIA sponsored source.

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    6. Let me clarify. The problem is not one specific to any one tradition, and those professing Paganism are not immune - they also are capable of behaving like messed up Christians full of shame and guilt (the favorite terrible twins of the Black Magic Fraternity once fear has incapacitated the prey.)

      This is a deep seated cultural damage and it is a key part of the task of Adepti of ALL schools to help fix this malaise. Going back to the roots of Yeheshua and educating the free-thinking Christian in what the actual Teachings would have been, and what the Christos actually IS... has to be one of the toughest aspects of the Great Work for the Christian Western Adept, given the War that they will then find themselves fighting.

      Since the historical Fear Factory of State Religion (Christianity for the now secularized West) has been the SOURCE of this damage in the collective Psyche - the task is however also an Ethical requirement.

      Pagans within the Western Tradition also have a huge task, since the targeted trivializing of Paganism has gone on for so long at the hands of Christian and "Scholar", Modernist and Black Mage. The abuses suffered under the boot of the Inquisition have been replaced (at least in nominally more secular countries where rationality is publicly espoused) by ridicule from an establishment that would nor dare take the same tone with State Religions. Orthodoxy defines the limits of rational discourse by holding the purse strings over Academia.

      Paganism is a natural home for those who have transcended the imposed fear-guilt-shame of "Church and State" and those who are still breaking free find many positive role models within it. Paganism didn't cause the problems, but it has solutions for those ready to route out complexes and embrace the Natural, even Perennial State.

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  17. Steve Black Awwww please please , won't tell anyone. How about 10 questions if you won't just say it? It is definitely not us , so we won't sue. Petra & Steve.

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  18. Peregrin Wildoak err.. it is clear isn't it that I think the whole notion to be as daft as a brush? I am being ironic and silly when I say it's on good authority etc. The whole thing is funny... search for the keywords and you will find the blog.

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    1. Daft? Let's see. Peregrin is an self-professed Anglican Christian. Peregrin is also a Magician. The Anglican cuurch condemns Magick as "Satanic."

      Is there anyone here who sees the elephant in the room?

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    2. Well he would say that wouldn't he! ;-) Too late for avoidance now - the cover up already didn't hold.

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    3. This may be a very interesting ride. The more this story circulates...

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  19. Carl de Malmanche Yes PW, it was to me. But I _really_ hate that whispering campaign thing....

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    1. You should know by now, Carl. Pippin loves to whisper about people behind their backs, without naming names, of course.

      Personally, I am glad he does. It gives me plenty of entertainment to cross-post!

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    2. I guess he was missing the attention this gets him.

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    3. Actually, I think it struck a nerve. It can't be easy for a recent Magician Anglican Christian convert to wake up and realize that he has just become an object of hatred by his own new church.

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    4. Pippin the Whisperer. Jester to the Court SRIA. Maybe all this would play better as some kind of Sword and Sorcery genre piece...

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    5. The 2005 article names magicians John Paternoster and Mike Crowsen as the principle actors in the alleged Satanist coup and ensuing cover-up.

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    6. Yes it does. As for the articles that were written - they confirm the Occult connection. Now in some more extreme Christian minds that is ALREADY cause to paint him a Satanist...

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  20. Peregrin Wildoak Ah, OK... Cari... makes sense..

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    1. More sense than an Anglican Magickian does! That's for sure.

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  21. Peregrin Wildoak Ah, OK... Cari... makes sense..

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  22. Carl de Malmanche It cracks me up to find that much of the pagan movement was inspired via Freemasonry (via GD, via Westcott/Mathers et al) and Freemasonry is so Christianised.
    Yet when looking at the Baden Powell organisations (BP was a Freemason), they're all very Christian and upright... and very pagan-orientated themes!

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    1. Hmm. Never heard of this. Please do say more. Enquiring minds, etc.

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  23. Carl de Malmanche "Used to be bunches of pagans here in NZ that loved that technique. Start some whispered rumours...but can't name names. Then when the rumour got hold and people were getting concerned, they use it to passive aggressive witchwar someone they didnt like.
    And because the "no names" already had peoples backs up, even gossip tended to be treated as fact... and it was always "I dont gossip about people but have you seen what X & Y did, don't say anything because we're trying to be supportive/dont want to upset anyone".
    Yet without any names, none of the facts or accusers could be tracked down to confirm/deny.
    Total friggin toxic environment.
    - and because the information "was secret" it was always treated as privileged and correct.
    And it used to be done at 2 companies I used to work at, as well. So these days I hobnail boot any B#$%^%d that tries it on....

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    1. Um and how does that compare here?

      Names are very specifically named, except in the case of there being specific legal agreements not to....

      I must be missing the point?

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    2. Hmm. Sounds like what you know who is up to. Yep.

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    3. Here we name names. Elsewhere there is an innuendo game. That is where the distinction can be found.

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    4. The 2005 article reported on above mentions Magicians John Paternoster and Mike Crowsen in the 2005 alleged "Satanist coup" in SRIA and ensuing cover-up.

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  24. Dirk Teichert Argh... Just had a glance, and now there's that headache again

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  25. Tim Ozpagan Carl said "It cracks me up to find that much of the pagan movement…etc."
    Carl, Carl you've your goat by the tail…it's the other way round. Pagans have been experimenting with monotheism for centuries. We know it doesn't work, mostly because we had them ban Magick, but it's more fun that way.

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    1. Yep. Anglican Magicians? Does anyone else smell sulphur? lol.

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    2. Yup. That experiment didn't turn out so well in Egypt either.

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    3. Monotheistic Pagans? Go figure.

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    4. Monotheistic Pagans and Anglican Magickians - ha! And I didn't expect the "there were no Egyptian Mysteries" and "all Magic is of Christian origins" themes to be topped...

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  26. Morgan Drake Eckstein I will admit that I had the sudden urge to make a Satanic monkey nuggets YouTube clip.

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    1. Do it, Morgan. Please. Please. I promise to even buy one of your Etsy teapots if you do!

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    2. I might even buy some of your erotic prose.

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  27. Donna Gratton Hahaha oh dear

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  28. Dirk Teichert Maybe, he should start writing really bad occult novels, instead of "leading" an order. Could easily kick Dan Brown from the bestseller lst

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    1. Given that Brown just misappropriated material from us to begin with - it would be a cool idea.

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  29. Joshua Knarr Wait we're not pagan satanists?

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    1. Satanists and Christians practice the same religion. They are merely rooting for different teams.

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    2. If you don''t believe in Satan then how can you be a Satanist? Christians believe in Satan. Some Christians decide that they don't want to wait for rewards in Heaven... and they think that enjoying life to the full entails joining the other team. (They are still full of Fear.)

      The less damaged among them eventually grow out of it and become Pagans instead.

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    3. Exactly. Calling Pagans "Satanists" because we practice Magick is like calling the Pope protestant because he is a reformer.

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  30. Morgan Drake Eckstein I am a pagan Santa-ist.

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  31. Mathias Siebert but of course. somehow i always thought about you with little horns

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    1. I can assure you that he is quite a horney little devil.

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  32. Grace Manio really? please let me know more..i just purchased a book regarding this. i really need to know. thank you

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    1. Look up "Christian condemnation of Magic on Wikipedia. You can find further references there.

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  33. I'm waiting to see the kibosh get put on members of "Invisible Temple #0" who are also members of the SRICF.

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    1. Wait. Does SRICF have a Trinitarian Christian requirement too? Well I'll be, this scandal just crossed the Atlantic!

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  34. From the SRICF webpage:
    Membership is by invitation only & predicated on regular mainstream Masonic affiliation as well as a profession of Christian faith.

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  35. I do so like this blog, especially the commentary.

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  36. New members are required to select a distinctive “Latin Motto” and state that they are NOT a member of a non-Masonic Rosicrucian organization as a matter of ethics.

    http://www.travelingtemplar.com/2012/05/societas-rosicruciana-in-civitatibus.html

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    1. Let me get this straight. This means that they have a segregationist Christian requirement and another rule that it is not allowed to belong to any Rosicrucian group that is NOT Christian segregationist, correct?

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    2. WOW! Peregrin took down the above crossposted post and entire conversation from his Facebook page.

      My guess is that his SRIA handlers did not like all the negative press Pippin keeps getting them by gossiping.

      Bravo Pippin!

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  37. This means that they have a segregationist Christian requirement and another rule that it is not allowed to belong to any Rosicrucian group that is NOT Christian segregationist, correct?

    That is correct, which is why those MSRICF members who work HOGD practices are truly members of a secret society: "Invisible Temple #0" is a HOGD and RRetAC group comprised only of Master Masons.

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  38. Uh, you all Mystery School people, or did I drop by the wrong place? Thelema!

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    1. Actually, as a Pagan the entire concept of Satanism has no relevance. Satanism only has relevance from a Christian paradigm, such as the segrationist view of the Rosicrucian tradition held by the "Christians only" SRIA.

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    2. Satanist may not be Christian Satanists but they aren't nice guys, believe me.

      FDKJR

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    3. They didn't hear about natural law of making one's own decisions, e.g.

      FDKJR

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  39. This thread is surprising to say the least.
    I am a member of the Church of Satan and not a single one of you, including your "Imperator" has a sweet clue as to what Satanism really is.
    No we do not beLIEve in some fellow in red pajamas wielding a pitchfork waiting to roast us (or you) in "hell" we do not regard Satan as an anthropomorphic entity at all.
    What Satan is is a couple of things: 1. Satan is a symbol of defiance and rebellion against stagnancy 2: Satan is an energy that can be tapped at will by the Satanist, like electricity. (Interestingly electricity when it was first discovered was considered Satanic).
    I don't dress in all black. We don't engage in kitty slashing acts or graffiti.
    Most of us prefer classical music to metal and none of us are teenagers.

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    1. @ anonymous

      Thank you for your contribution. As a Pagan, I have no negative judgement on your religious views. They are completely irrelevant to me as a Pagan and do not enter into the world view of my faith in any way whatsoever.

      What I am saying is that it is the height of dishonesty for SRIA leaders to on the one hand, try to force the Rosicrucian movement into their segregationist, "Christians only" interpretation of Rosicrucianism, and on the other hand to be dabbling with Magick and the Occult that is judged by the tenets of THEIR Christian church and the canons of THEIR faith as Satanic.

      This says nothing about you. It only refers to segregationist Trinitatian Chrsitans saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

      It is for the incongruance between what they say and what they do that I judge them - according to the standards of THEIR own church. Even worse, they are leading rank and file SRIA members to entangle themselves in the same web of inconsistency.

      If I am not mistaken, LaVey himself leveled a similar criticism about the hypocrisy of certain Christians saying one thing and doing the opposite.

      Again, Satanism is only relevant to Christians and Satanists.

      As a Pagan, it has zero relevance to the way I see the world.

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    2. So you're equating dishonesty and hypocrisy with Satanism?
      I could not disagree more. Dishonesty in any dealings whatever they may be leverages the Balance Factor against the person doing the lying. It's bad Lesser Magic.
      We Satanists will define ourselves thank you very much. We certainly don't need either christians or pagans to do so. Your article is therefore dripping with sensationalism, slander and libel all around.

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    3. @ Anonymous

      You are mistaking me for a Christian. I am not. I am Pagan.

      I understand that you are unhappy with the way Christians define your faith and I understand that you define it differently.

      Those divergent definitions are not at all relevant to this discussion, however.

      I am merely pointing out that "according to the canons of Trinitatian Christianity," Magick and the Occult judged as are Satanic - Therefore SRIA Supreme Magus Paternoster's activities dabbling in Magick and the Occult are deemed by Satanism BY HIS CHURCH.

      Do I personally equate Magick and the Occult with Satanism?

      No.

      I am not Christian.

      I am Pagan.

      You are confusing me with a Christian trying to define your faith.

      I am not trying to define your faith at all. I am not Christian.

      I am PAGAN. We Pagans do not even have a definition of Satanism. That is the business of Satanists and Christians, not of Pagans.

      Satanism has NOTHING AT ALL to do with our religion.

      Satanism is completely ALIEN to our world view.

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  40. The hilarious thing about this is that a lot of Satanists I associate with don't use GD magic outright because it has Hebrew in it! Hah!

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  41. @ the CoS anon...
    Satanism isn't defined by strict CoS standards either. Satanism is a variety of religions and spiritualities, not just one.
    The reality of the situation is that Satanism exists *because* of Christianity. I don't think that Satanists should shy away from it. If you avoid it at all costs then you are essentially abdicating the archetype you sought out to emulate. Instead they should use it for blasphemy against people who would oppress freethought and independence.

    -Sr. DXM

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    1. Note. This discussion is not about CoS Satanism. It is about leaders of "Christians only" orders practicing and teaching magic CONDEMNED BY THEIR CHURCH AS SATANISM.

      Two different things.

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