It is no secret that Bob Zink has wanted to get rid of me for decades. I had heard the ugly rumors many times before - like allegations of Bob organizing Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn members to perform Goetic, black magical operations against me order-wide back in the 1990s.
Then there was the infamous "watermelon" ritual where, according to former EOGD members, they consecrated a watermelon like a voodoo doll, to affect me by sympathetic magick, then took turns stabbing it with a magick sword.
Another story involved the 1994 evening that Robert Zink and I dined together in Cris Monnastre's home. According to former EOGD members, Bob Zink called an emergency temple meeting later that night, telling everyone that:
I indeed own a magick ring of pure gold for each planet (see the slide show below this post) and actually did wear my Mars ring that night. I never dreamed it would set off such paranoia in Bob though.
"over dinner the evil David Griffin had worked black magic on poor Bob with his malefic Mars ring."
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| Sideshow Bob Zink |
Then there was the former EOGD member who wrote to me earlier this year apologizing for having spied on me in the 1990s, allegedly also at Bob's behest.
Sideshow Bob's Facebook Revenge
Until last Fall, I had a thriving social network with 4,723 Facebook friends. Then suddenly - Poof! - my profile and my entire Facebook social network were gone! Facebook had permanently disabled my profile - and cut me off from my entire social network - without any warning or explanation whatsoever. I appealed the decision, but to no avail. It was not until this week that the mystery of what had actually happened to my Facebook profile was finally solved. I should have known from the beginning that the destruction of my social network on Facebook was no mere accident.
The Facebook mystery was finally solved this week, when a disgruntled EOGD member sent me numerous posts about my Facebook profile from the esotericgoldendawn private members' forum on Yahoo. Certain of these letters - reproduced below - reveal how my Facebook profile - and my social network of 4,723 friends - did not simply disappear, but were carefully and deliberately sabotaged by Bob Zink orchestrating a group of EOGD members and their friends to "block spam" me on Facebook.
Esotericgoldendawn Members Yahoo Forum
Subject: Special Attention to all Brethren of the Golden Dawn
September 25, 2009
Greetings in Light,
This is a public announcement to warn members of David Griffin; a self proclaimed leader of a pseudo-organization that is an off-shoot of the reconstructionist Golden Dawn of C... It is important to know that no Golden Organizations to include C..., Zalewski, and OSOGD recognize his fanatic authority.
This individual has cost our Order thousands of dollars in legal fees, threatened members of our order, and continues to prove himself to be a danagerous and unstable fanatic bent on owning the Golden Dawn tradition. As a magician he stands as an example of dark sorcery and evil magic.
That is why we encourage you to disassociat with him in all venues; especially this most recent attempt to friend Order Brethren to his Facebook account. This is a warning not to friend David Griffin and if you mistakely already have to de-friend and block him immediately.
Your Servant in Light
GH Frater PDR (Robert Zink)
770
Subject: Special Attention to all Brethren of the Golden Dawn
September 25, 2009
Greetings in Light,
This is a public announcement to warn members of David Griffin; a self proclaimed leader of a pseudo-organization that is an off-shoot of the reconstructionist Golden Dawn of C... It is important to know that no Golden Organizations to include C..., Zalewski, and OSOGD recognize his fanatic authority.
This individual has cost our Order thousands of dollars in legal fees, threatened members of our order, and continues to prove himself to be a danagerous and unstable fanatic bent on owning the Golden Dawn tradition. As a magician he stands as an example of dark sorcery and evil magic.
That is why we encourage you to disassociat with him in all venues; especially this most recent attempt to friend Order Brethren to his Facebook account. This is a warning not to friend David Griffin and if you mistakely already have to de-friend and block him immediately.
Your Servant in Light
GH Frater PDR (Robert Zink)
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Esotericgoldendawn Members Yahoo Forum
Subject: Magical links and David Griffin
Subject: Magical links and David Griffin
September 25, 2009
Brethren,
One of the reasons we ask you to not friend David Griffin on facebook is that because he has been hostile to our Order and to myself and other, and because he has attacked our Order over and over again, and because he is bent on being the only Golden Dawn group and has cost C... and our Order thousands and thousands of dollars, and because neither our Order, nor C.., nor Pat Zaleswki nor Tommy Westlund his first Chief in Sweeden, nor any other GD group reconize him as nothing more than a mischief makers in our GD community,
YOU RUN A RISK of of allowing him to create a MAGICAL BOND with you and that bond certainly will not be helpful in your spritual or magcial development.
But wait, there is more to this saga, his connection to you as a friend on facebook creates a ray to our Order, this we cannot allow. It is important that you not accept the friend request from David Griffin and if you have, you need to cut it, for yourself, for your Order, for justice.
Your brother in the great work,
G.H. Frater P.D.R. (Robert Zink)
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Esotericgoldendawn Members Yahoo Forum
Subject: David Griffin @ FB ~ how to use your privacy settings to block & other advice
September 25, 2009
Ave Sorors and Fraters;
Go to "settings", there you will find "privacy", scroll down, put his name in your BLOCK list, when you do so, a list of various David Griffin's comes up, he's the first one, you'll note his sash in his photo. Click ^him^, and he will be blocked.
Another suggestion, if you've friends who have befriended him, email them at FB and ask them to de-friend him and block him. If for any reason they won't, tell them you'll have to de-friend them as his energy won't be tolerated. Hope this helps,
R. 770
R. 770
I won't waste time refuting Bob Zink's paranoid portrayal of the "evil David Griffin" in these letters. Bob was clearly demonizing me, in order to manipulate EOGD members and their friends to "block spam" me on Facebook - a dastardly, yet deadly effective way of getting someone's Facebook profile permanently disabled. Five days after this "block spam" attack, on October 1, 2009 - Poof! My entire Facebook social network - and all contact with many of my 4,723 friends - vanished forever. No explanation. No recourse. Just poof! - gone.
An Open Letter To My Lost Facebook Friends
My dear 4,723 former Facebook friends,
Thank you for your friendship, support, and encouragement over the years on Facebook. I really enjoyed my interaction with you and our substantial discussions about Hermetic Inner Alchemy and other aspects of the Golden Dawn. Thanks again for your many valuable contributions to these discussions.
I apologize for for losing contact with so many of you following the sudden and unexpected disappearance of my Facebook profile. When Facebook disabled my page without warning or explanation last October, I had no way to reach most of you even to tell you what had happened. In fact, it was a mystery to me as well - until now that is.
I never in a million years dreamed that my social network had secretly been sabotaged in one of Sideshow Bob's dastardly schemes!
As public figure, I guess I should expect certain losses like this, particularly with a competitor like Bob Zink around. Destroying my Facebook social network was the most successful plot Sideshow Bob has come up with yet. In fact, I can see him gleefully rubbing his hands and laughing maniacally while reading this.
I never in a million years dreamed that my social network had secretly been sabotaged in one of Sideshow Bob's dastardly schemes!
As public figure, I guess I should expect certain losses like this, particularly with a competitor like Bob Zink around. Destroying my Facebook social network was the most successful plot Sideshow Bob has come up with yet. In fact, I can see him gleefully rubbing his hands and laughing maniacally while reading this.
Well, congratulations Bob! One of your hair-brained schemes finally worked. In fact, it worked so well that my 4,723 former friends from my Facebook social network you destroyed and I would like to send you this special "way to go, Bob!"
Sincerely,
David Griffin
A bit strong, but has supporting evidence. I am writing anonymously here for obvious reasons.
ReplyDeleteAfter joining the EOGD, I was sent an email to remove you from my Facebook account or be thrown out of the Order.
I was shocked!
I guess if you can initiate people astrally, then you can expect evil powers to leak through your Facebook account as well. :-)
Isn't there a movie like that?
You mean that Mr. Zink actually went so far as to scour the pages of EOGD members Facebook pages, and to threaten them with expulsion if they did not block David Griffin of Facebook? According to the the How Cults work website (http://www.howcultswork.com), a serious red flag for CULT-like behavior is when a group leader begins to:
ReplyDelete"...try to cut you off from your FRIENDS and family because they hate others being able to influence you. They will seek to manoeuvre your life so as to maximize your contact with cult members and minimize your contact with people outside the group, especially those who oppose your involvement."
EOGD members should be VERY concerned about this sort of behavior.
I thought that this was supposed to be funny. Not funny
ReplyDelete@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that trying to control the social networks of Golden Dawn members is not funny at all. In fact, such behavior is quite disconcerting and has no place in the Golden Dawn community.
@Ronald Terweil
ReplyDeleteI am not very happy about your bringing the word "Cult" into this discussion. The Golden Dawn is certainly not a cult, and any sort of cult-like behavior is certainly not traditional Golden Dawn.
I agree that it is quite inappropriate when Robert Zink or any Golden Dawn leader tries to control the social networks of Golden Dawn members.
Labeling this as "Cult-like behavior," however, may be misinterpreted as implying that the EOGD is a cult. It certainly is not. There are a lot of hard working people in the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn that are doing a lot of good work and are very sincere about what they are doing. Many of them are so dedicated to helping others spiritually that they dedicate a great deal of time an energy to the EOGD.
One bad apple does not spoil the whole barrel. Please tone your comments down or they will no longer be allowed on this blog.
- David Griffin
Terrifying that so many so-called spiritually aware people could have been unable to use their own discrimination and discretion and thus could be so easily led en masse! Besides, even on the slightest possibility that someone may be even a tad "grey around the edges" as a magician, who says that one cannot learn something from the darkside, even if it is only to contemplate what not to do, or what one may have to protect oneself against. Heaven help us if we are not allowed to read all and decide for ourselves.
ReplyDeleteCare Fratres and Sorores,
ReplyDeleteI am a AVID supporter of our Greatly Honored Chief, and I can tell you that the egregore of this fine and spiritually adept man is by far not evil. He does not allow his initiates and Neophytes to break any legal or ethical boundaries and does not try to control our lives! It is part of the oath that every initiate has the right to say no to anything that effects their individual rights. This is a tradition of the order and stems fron the original Golden Dawn.
I can see by this article that GH Frater PDR doesn'r follow these traditional Golden Dawn values and is breaking his own oath. This is disturbing, I think that he dislikes you dear David because your current of divine energy conflicts with his malice and evil sphere of sensation and casues him to HATE you as all qlippoth would becasue of the ray of Divine Light that emanates through you glorious Solar Body. As V.H Frater S.R said: "dont feel the blog trolls." It only encoureages them to attack like piranhas.
He will destroy his own egregore with this negative obsession.
I am always behind you in and fully know that you are a true inheritor of the egregore and defender of the LVX.
Care anonymous Frater,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your kind words of support. I disagree, however, with your characterization of GH Frater PDR as being somehow malicious or evil as a person. I do not at all condemn Robert Zink, the man, even though I TOTALLY disagree with and actually do condemn certain of his SPECIFIC BEHAVIORS. This is an important distinction.
GH Frater PDR has also done many good things for the Golden Dawn community. This does, however, not justify nor excuse his trying to control the social networks of Golden Dawn members as is evidenced in his letters This behavior I abhor and completely condemn. No respectable, traditional Golden Dawn leader would engage in this sort of thing.
I also disagree with the other behavior Robert Zink's letters exhibit, namely using the Golden Dawn as a platform to sell a whole range of hokey New Age and "get rich quick" schemes ranging from psychic readings to life coaching and angel oracle workshops. These things have nothing to do with the traditional Golden Dawn. The Golden Dawn is not a New Age swap meet.
Nonetheless, I believe it is his own business if GH Frater PDR wants to turn the EOGD into a bazaar to sell his hokey New Age and other "get rich quick" schemes. People looking for these things will find them with Robert Zink, even though they is nothing for serious Golden Dawn seekers.
Robert Zink crosses a line, however, that gives the entire Golden Dawn community a bad name when GH Frater PDR starts trying to control the social networks of Golden Dawn members. There is no excuse for this. This sort of nonsense should not be happening. Period.
Peoples private lives are their own business. Golden Dawn leaders have no business meddling in people's bedrooms and certainly not in their social networks.
- David Griffin
David Griffin wrote: "I am not very happy about your bringing the word "Cult" into this discussion."
ReplyDeleteI never said EOGD looks like a Cult. What I did say (and still say) is that any spiritual leader who tries to control the social networks of individuals is acting completely over the top. I unfortunately can't think of any less shocking way to say this.
Care David,
ReplyDeleteI am not member of any order but I know some members of various different orders. I do know that they are sincere hard workers and I agree that they will not see themselves as being part of a cult. The word is indeed misleading and wrong in the GD context. However, just looking at the behaviour of a leader of a group that aims to order people to cut of friends or contacts because they would be bad for themselves and the group etc does indeed reach a dangerous potential. I am not saying though that Bob is a cult leader but if it is true what you say in your post, and I do not have a reason top doubt this, then this is by fact a serious issue, however you want to call it. All differences aside but this certainly goes too far. It is good though that some people see this and, even being part of the EOGD, have a feeling for what is beyond reason and having the guts to speak out.
Although I am not a member of any GD order or group I really hope all this is coming to an end soon. It is seriously damaging and corrupting the Tradition as such as I know from various discussions.
In LVX
Arcad
I firmly disagree with Robert Zink's attacks on other Golden Dawn groups and fully sympathise with David Griffin.
ReplyDeleteThis said, however, I don't get the feeling that Mr Griffin is fully behind his own attempts at Golden Dawn unity. Much as I support him, I do wish that the ROAO would take the moral high ground and simply refuse to respond to criticism, perhaps directing readers to their own website.
For an example of what I mean, look through the articles on this blog and see how much smaller it would be if it only talked about its own teachings and not about everybody else.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteThe HOGD/AO remains firmly committed to the ideal of harmony in the Golden Dawn community. Harmony is different then unity, however. Unity implies that there can be only one Golden Dawn order or direction in the Golden Dawn community, and I do not believe that anyone really wants this. On the contrary, the HOGD/AO embraces diversity in the Golden Dawn community as a very GOOD thing. Diversity gives the Golden Dawn community an ever expanding breadth and depth.
I think that I have made very clear that, even though that it is in no way traditional Golden Dawn, I even support Robert Zink's right to turn the EOGD into a New Age swap meet, if that is truly what he wants to do. Even though I do not believe that these things are right for serious Golden Dawn seekers, and are in no way traditional Golden Dawn, there are plenty of people who instead of being interested in magick and spiritual development like we practice in the HOGD/AO, are more interested instead in getting rich quick, psychic readings, New Age life coaching, Reiki style faith healing, and angel oracle certificates.
People looking for these later things are will find them available with Robert Zink and his Golden Dawn order. On the other hand, people looking for traditional Golden Dawn initiation with an eye on spiritual development in the sense of energetic evolution, and want to learn traditional Golden Dawn and Rosicrucian practices like ritual magic and Hermetic Inner Alchemy will find far more of what they are looking for in our order.
It is a good thing that this sort of diversity exists in our Golden Dawn community as it gives people more choices. It is also important that people can be well informed about the differences between one Golden Dawn order and another, however. Otherwise, they would waste a lot of time and become very disappointed if they were to come to the HOGD/AO looking to "get rich quick" or go to Robert Zink looking for energetic evolution through traditional Hermetic alchemical practices.
Diversity in our community is important because this gives people more choices and options. Solid information about the actual and very fundamental differences between our orders is also important, however, because people also need to be able to make INFORMED decisions, and just looking at our websites people can still easily get confused or be misled.
Harmony does not mean that we must agree about everything. We can still enjoy harmony in our Golden Dawn community by agreeing to disagree, while making our orders' divergent practices and philosophical positions crystal clear so that people can make truly informed decisions.
Robert Zink's published letters, for example, clearly demonstrate that he believes it is a good and appropriate thing for a Golden Dawn leader to interfere in the lives of Golden Dawn members about who they choose to be friends with or even to have contact with. The written evidence indicates that Robert Zink believes it is OK even to threaten to throw Golden Dawn members out of the EOGD unless they comply with his demands about who they befriend or have contact with.
In the HOGD/AO, on the other hand, we believe that people's private lives are their own business. Period. I completely refuse to allow any leader of the HOGD/AO, myself included, to interfere in the lives of HOGD/AO members in any way, including in their right to befriend or associate with anyone they choose to.
These are very fundamental differences between our two orders, and people need to be able to make an informed decision about what these differences really, are and what they can realistically expect when joining the EOGD vs. the HOGD/AO.
- David Griffin
I see your point. But it still seems like you spend more time saying what the HOGD/AO isn't than what it is. Essentially, I'm requesting more HOGD/AO focused posts on a blog I thoroughly enjoy.
ReplyDelete@Same Anonymous as before
ReplyDeleteThank you for your kind words about this blog. I invite you to directly participate in the process of getting what you state you want, by asking concrete questions of Master R.C. In fact, I am surprised that so few readers have so far taken advantage of this marvelous opportunity!
- David Griffin
Ave Imperator!
DeleteWell, I think everybody would love to know how was the meeting in Paris, in 2002, with LeT. What happened, how it was, how he looked, this kind of things of historical and human interest...
Marcos
Well, I was reading Frater Sincerus Renatus's February review of the Grand Key of Solomon, and he mentioned the attainment of the Knowledge & Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel, something I'd thought was only pursued in Thelemic orders. So how about an article on the Holy Guardian Angel and how it is perceived and worked with in the Golden Dawn?
ReplyDeletePDR isn't just looking to leverage his member's Facebook pages. Have you heard about "Goldfire!" yet? The short version is he has taken his re-branding of "The Secret" called "The Guarantee" and created yet another members-only version of it. He puts groups of his members together to do the Vision work of "The Secret" but puts one higher-grade individual with several lower-grade (and usually very low income) members. Each member is expected to constantly market Goldfire to other order members and add them to their "team".
ReplyDeleteWhen members of Goldfire teach an order class they are told to bring up Goldfire and all it's successes.
He's going to milk his golden cow to death.
People might think you are making this up. Here are Robert Zink's (GH Frater P.D.R.) own words from the cheesy sales letters he keeps spamming me and other Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn members with on the esotericgolden members forum.
ReplyDelete7/8/09
Your chance to change your life..GoldFire
Brethen,
This is an opprotunity ONLY for Golden Dawn members. I run a MASTERMIND group called GoldFire. You may not qualify for GoldFire, but if you do, you can expect to receive magical results and positive change in your life. This is not a get rich quick scheme, this is an on-going magical master mind group that meets over the phone once a month for two to three hours, and has a private forum. In addition to the other members doing magic to improve your life and to achieve your goals, I am doing magic several times a month for all the members in GoldFire.
Keep in mind that this program works. I will gladly share details in a personal phone call. I want to add two members between now and Sundays conference call. Write me now at:
robertzink120@gmail.com
PLEASE leave your name and number.
770
G.H. Frater P.D.R.
Imperator General of the E.O.G.D.
7/10/09
This Sunday
Brethren and Friends,
This sunday may be one of the most important conference calles of my life and the people that join me. This is GoldFire and I am throwing more wood on the fire. I am really cranking it up several thousand degrees. I want the succes to keep coming for Goldfire members. But I want it in a big way. Thie information I will be sharing this Sunday will blow you away. This is powerful information and I urge you to write me asap if you are intrested in Goldfire. I have one more opening and I am excited.
770
G.H. Frater P.D.R.
Write me at: www.robertzink120@gmail.com
7/15/09
Did I say word on the fire...I meant to say WOOD...read this..
Dear Brethren,
Here is another post from a member of GoldFire who has gone through phase one of 4 phase of DNA activation.
WOW..read what he had to say about it...
Avete to all. I must say that since our tele confrance, I have felt and acted so diferant than what I had exspected. Sunday morning I did the LIRP of earth before the conferance call. The energy is so overwelming at my workplace as I
have been working like I was 20 again. With a jack hammer and a sledge. And I feel great too. I haven't been napping during lunch, which I like doing. I have also felt a sudden urgancy to do more ritual work not just for our group, but
for the whole human race. CR rituals and what nots. The hot feelings and tingling in my scalp and body seem to come more frequant and this feels good. This Saturday our group is doing a very powerful earth ritual drawing down the
sun. With this new energy, its going to be amazing. I can feel it in my bones. Thank you for this new juice GH F PDR. I like it alot. Intrested in GoldFire...write me at personalmagic@gmail.com
G.H. Frater P.D.R.
Imperator General of the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn
120
CSV
1/9/10
1001 excuses
Brethren,
We can all generate excuses why we can't or won't take our life to the next level. The law of Attracion is working one way or the other, for you or against you. The Magical Mastermind group is the one proven way to break through the barriers that hold us back, or thwart us from having the reality we deserve.
GoldFire works. People are getting massive results with GoldFire. The only question is one of action. Are you prepare to make the changes necessary to create your life. GoldFire will provide you the tools and the way. The MasterMind group is out lined in the book Think and Grow Rich. It is a proven method.
We are looking for one person who can make a decision and move forward. IF YOU ARE THAT PERSON WRITE
ME NOW AT: Persoalmagic@gmail.com
770
PDR
What I get from Robert Zink's above letters in Robert Zink's own words is that "Goldfire":
ReplyDelete1. "is an opprotunity ONLY for Golden Dawn members."
2. "is out lined in the book Think and Grow Rich."
3. Involves the usual New Age marketing claptrap like marketing CDs, teleconferences, DNA activation, Law of Attraction, etc.
Once again, if Robert Zink wants to turn the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn into a swap meet where he sells his vast array of New Age "get rich quick" schemes, I fully support his right to do this. There is plenty of room in the Golden Dawn community for a New Age Golden Dawn order, and I fully support this diversity.
However, this has nothing to do with magick or the traditional Golden Dawn and is nothing for serious seekers.
The HOGD/AO is, on the other hand, an order that teaches spiritual development and energetic evolution using ritual magick and Hermetic Inner Alchemy, with the goal of the development of the energetic bodies and he ultimate goal of achieving CONSCIOUS IMMORTALITY in a SOLAR BODY OF LIGHT.
The difference between what I teach in the HOGD/AO and Robert Zink teaches EOGD members has never been clearer.
Still, it is good that people have choices.
Those interested in New Age "get rich quick" schemes based on the book "the book Think and Grow Rich" are better off with Robert Zink and the EOGD and would be well served to buy Mr. Zink's Goldfire teleconferences and join his "Mastermind" inner/side order.
Serious seekers interested in spiritual development, learning ritual magick and Hermetic Inner Alchemy, however, are better off joining the HOGD/AO.
Choice is good. Informed choice is better.
- David Griffin
HI,
ReplyDeleteI have have a simple question for Mr David Griffin, is it possible for people speaking only french to join your order (HOGD/AO)? I live in Montreal by the way.Thanks.
@ Abdul
ReplyDeleteWe do not have a distance program in French language at this time. If you contact our administration through our website, however, we can refer you to the Ahathoor Temple in Paris.
It would seem the only sane route in any of this is to totally dissociate with the name golden dawn at all. I think the EOGD is a perfect example of what happens when material is published for mass consumption.
ReplyDeleteIt is now believed that Robert Zink has left LaCrosse and returned to Seattle. Be Warned Washington! While in LaCrosse, he cut a wide path of pain and destruction! He and Mary Kreske totally destroyed a beautiful historic home he and his Bride of Dracula lived in; purchased the Violet Flame with promises of payment which never materialized; purchased products and stock items on the existing accounts of the previous owners and states that all such stock was removed from the premises by the previous owners; left unpaid bills; stole furniture from the home they were in; and destroyed the reputation of anyone unfortunate enough to associate with them. Although evicted from that home and the next one they moved into for a few short months, they managed to find a 3rd address and once the Police and the District Attorney was enlisted, he mysteriously disappeard from LaCrosse. Unfortunately, he forgot and left Mary Jane behind. LaCrosse is still in danger and once again, Seattle is full of Robert Zink!!
ReplyDeletePlease note that the above comment was published by a commenter hiding behind anonymity. Note also that not a shred of evidence was presented by this anonymous commenter.
ReplyDeleteConsidering how much defamation has been spread by anonymous trolls previously in the Golden Dawn community, as long as no hard evidence surfaces to substantiate such shocking allegations, I urge readers of this blog to take the above comment not with pinches - but with buckets of salt!
- David Griffin
A lot of the above post is indeed written in a bit of a sensationalistic manner but one thing holds true: I knew Robert for a long time and this is very consistant behaviour for the guy I knew. He and Mary did indeed pull off a shady deal to purchase the Violet Flame and for a time you could go to www.violetflame.biz and see a notice stating "This site has moved, visit us at http://thevioletflame2009.webs.com
ReplyDeleteIt is here that Robert and Mary state themselves as the new owners. That notice and link has since been removed from the violetflame.biz site. The other one is still up but no longer linked to the main site. I think perhaps something went sour and the original owner took her property back. I distinctly remember when Robert opened, bled dry, and closed another shop in LA called the "Mystic Eye" and left it with unpaid accounts in someone else's name there too. I was there for that one, and I myself saw him with the $8000.00 or so in cash from that shop in the 90's. He used that cash for his first midnight foray to Washington after getting evicted from the "Order House" in Fontana. As to getting evicted from the house that he and Mary lived in: circumstantial but believable. He got on his own outer order forum and sent out a "beg letter" stating that he and Mary had to leave thier "Mansion in Lacrosse" and needed donations from the EOGD membership to "buy forks and spoons" etc. That was when Edward (BT) got on the same forum and asked everyone to use their credit cards to buy them online gift cards for whatever they needed.
As to him leaving Lacross in the middle of the night--well he arrived that way, and forgot to bring his ex-wife from Seattle, go figure. In that regard, I hear he is trying to get some of his "Gold-fire" people to quit their jobs (another repetetive pattern--lots of order people in the past did this for him) and move with him up to Seattle to start another "Order House" like the one in Fontana in the 90's. I know he has given them inflated promises, just like he did us. All I can say to anyone thinking of doing this is DON'T! You will severely regret it later, when he starts taking your whole paycheck each payday and giving you a weekly "allowance" and making you stay up and do chores all night before you have to be at work the next morning. Nobody can do that long, then he will berate you for losing your job over it. Please think carefully before doing this. Consider the fact that this same type of info has been posted all over the net from many of his other angry victims for the last 10-15 years. District Attorney action? Probably only a matter of time, especially with the amounts of money involved. One person in Europe gave him her whole life savings of about $30,000.00. People have gone to trial for scamming less. Sooner or later the law of averages catches up to everyone.
Ok, I think enough is enough at this point.
A lot of the above post is indeed written in a bit of a sensationalistic manner but one thing holds true: I knew Robert for a long time and this is very consistant behaviour for the guy I knew. He and Mary did indeed pull off a shady deal to purchase the Violet Flame and for a time you could go to www.violetflame.biz and see a notice stating "This site has moved, visit us at http://thevioletflame2009.webs.com
ReplyDeleteIt is here that Robert and Mary state themselves as the new owners. That notice and link has since been removed from the violetflame.biz site. The other one is still up but no longer linked to the main site. I think perhaps something went sour and the original owner took her property back. I distinctly remember when Robert opened, bled dry, and closed another shop in LA called the "Mystic Eye" and left it with unpaid accounts in someone else's name there too. I was there for that one, and I myself saw him with the $8000.00 or so in cash from that shop in the 90's. He used that cash for his first midnight foray to Washington after getting evicted from the "Order House" in Fontana. As to getting evicted from the house that he and Mary lived in: circumstantial but believable. He got on his own outer order forum and sent out a "beg letter" stating that he and Mary had to leave thier "Mansion in Lacrosse" and needed donations from the EOGD membership to "buy forks and spoons" etc. That was when Edward (BT) got on the same forum and asked everyone to use their credit cards to buy them online gift cards for whatever they needed.
As to him leaving Lacross in the middle of the night--well he arrived that way, and forgot to bring his ex-wife from Seattle, go figure. In that regard, I hear he is trying to get some of his "Gold-fire" people to quit their jobs (another repetetive pattern--lots of order people in the past did this for him) and move with him up to Seattle to start another "Order House" like the one in Fontana in the 90's. I know he has given them inflated promises, just like he did us. All I can say to anyone thinking of doing this is DON'T! You will severely regret it later, when he starts taking your whole paycheck each payday and giving you a weekly "allowance" and making you stay up and do chores all night before you have to be at work the next morning. Nobody can do that long, then he will berate you for losing your job over it. Please think carefully before doing this. Consider the fact that this same type of info has been posted all over the net from many of his other angry victims for the last 10-15 years. District Attorney action? Probably only a matter of time, especially with the amounts of money involved. One person in Europe gave him her whole life savings of about $30,000.00. People have gone to trial for scamming less. Sooner or later the law of averages catches up to everyone.
Ok, I think enough is enough at this point.
really entertaining. People in occultism / estorism somehow act really funny because of the release of subconcious energy amplifying their personas. Since I have read your comment about sexuality, I like you David (also being called David G. myself :-), step back and watch the show. Well (considering your choice of pictures) I guess you do. Quality advertises itself to those who are longing for it...
ReplyDeleteThe whole story makes me understand the some times strict / covert operations of other orders. Or reminds me of RC groups in middle of Europe that meet to discuss investment opportunities.
it looks like my comment was lost...
ReplyDeleteI was just about to say: Really entertaining, often people in occultism / esoterism are the most funny people I know (including myself) due to the energies released from their subconcious amplifying their personas.
David G. (I am not Griffin, but don't want to disclose my full name)
Maybe that was also a sign of life that it's not a good idea to market occultism (piercing the veil of appearance) on the market place of appearances - facebook...
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I have read there is the opportunity to ask Master R.C. quest ions. I would like to ask some:
-what is the function of hair and (from the perspective of an occult kind of physiology)
-will the world population continue to grow for the coming decades and at what pace?
Or what kind of quest ions are welcome?
I want Dave Griffin back on Facebook!!!! Will they not let you sign back up? You should just use another email address and come back. We want David back!
ReplyDeleteRegarding the comments left by "anonymous" above about Mr. Zink's fiscal irresponsibility: I was also a member of the Eternal Golden Dawn when he moved into the house in Fontana. This pattern of behavior being described now is, indeed, classic for Mr. Zink.
ReplyDeleteDavid, I fully understand and agree with your position on choice, diversity, and the need to make it plain that the Order of the Golden Dawn is not, in fact, a cult. However, I would like to suggest that it's quite possible to point to Mr. Zink as an example of a controlling leader exhibiting cult-like behavior, regardless of the group umbrella under which he chooses to operate.
When I was associated with the Eternal Golden Dawn, I found that Mr. Zink was a cult leader, trying to found a cult to support him, by using legitimate teachings to lend him credibility. While the texts and writings he used were quite credible, sadly his behavior was not.
I think it's a beautiful thing that a truly spiritual organization can grow from such inauspicious beginnings. Such a thing restores my faith in humanity. However, I believe it's dangerous to turn a blind eye to Mr. Zink's abusive behaviors - which apparently have not changed significantly in two decades.
I've known Mr. Zink to be a fear-monger, trying to frighten me, personally, when I left the order, and convincing others that they too would be in danger if they left - or if they even returned my phone calls. It was a very similar experience to leaving an abusive spouse. As it appears that things have not significantly changed, I can certainly understand why people tend to post anonymously when speaking of him.
Thank you for providing a reasonable, well moderated blog for me to follow, and leave comment.
Wendi Spayth
Wendi, I have heard other reports about something like this. Are you referring to Robert Zink's alleged mantra: "Friday is coming"? What does this mean?
ReplyDeleteIs he STILL using that tired old carp? I would have thought he'd have switched it out to something else by now! I was actually referring to his allegations that some Satanic group had targeted us (and me in particular, when I tried to leave) with Magical Attacks, and if I left "the protection of the inner circle" I would be "at risk" and "vulnerable".
ReplyDelete"Friday is coming", wow. I hadn't thought about that phrase in years! Yes, that basically is his mantra. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean. He never explained it. He just used it as an exceptionally cryptic bludgeon and he used it very well. I do recall that he started using it at approximately the same time they moved into the Fontana house.
I remember you, Wendi. You were there for my 0=0 and gave me my outer order name. I also remember this 'Friday is coming' business. Zink had a spirit on the ouija board he called 'x'. 'Friday is coming' was a mantra Zink used to try to scare people from leaving. In other words, if you would leave, the inference was that you would be magically attacked every Friday.
ReplyDelete@ Anon - Hi! Feel free to do a Google search and dig me up for contacting me off of this blog, if you wish. I have no real interest in devoting a lot of time to chewing old ECL soup; but I do like to be in touch with old friends.
ReplyDeleteThere were many various logical fallacies that the old ECL evidenced with using the Ouija board, and it's been years since I actively deconstructed the various controlling tactics used by Zink on various people. Detailing all of that in a simple, reasoned, factual manner would be a significant trip down Memory Lane, a great deal of time and energy, and I'm not at all certain it would serve anyone's interest to effectively write a small novel about it at this time.
If anyone has any specific questions, giving objective facts about things I do explicitly recall is something I'm interested in doing, which is why I commented here in the first place, and am willing to continue doing so if anyone feels that any of the specific events and/or exchanges I witnessed are relevant. Naturally, as a reasonably sane human being with a life, there will be limits on my ability to recall details, and there were certainly many things I did not witness.
Honestly, it's up to the moderators and followers of this blog to determine if my further input is necessary or desired, at this point. The only reason I would feel a need to post further would be to refute a blatantly false statement, or to add further independent verification to the statements of another.
The negativity is a shame.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the problem is not an ad hominem attack. I
use the *ab homonymphone* method.
Did David Griffin really call someone a 'nazi'? I believe that it may have been the 'not see Golden Dawn'.
As for 'cult', why get so upset. The trite use of language, especially English: you'd have to read my analysis of FACEBOOK as the NewSpeak of thought; we are reading the past, thinking in reverse instead of allowing the energy that flows from thoughts be focused in manifesting a future. ( Let's not forget that people will steal a young lady's iMac; An old roommate wrote Muslim groups hate mail in my name. They really did speak with me and realized I'm a "good girl.')
Cult. Is the hat a PYTHON or a COBRA (Colt, 'cobra' 38 special)? If I were called a ' cult' I'd extend it into ' cultured' or I'd give your Mather's Pi-Co-be-RA-kappa a Patton-leather shoe and a matching white-handled boline.
Smile.
All of this is a perfect example why Western Mystery Tradition is totally screwed. This stuff simply doesn't work. It's evidenced by supposed advanced human beings acting like the worlds worst sewing circle.
ReplyDelete@ Magus Masonica
ReplyDeleteAt least you are half-right. It does show how worthless the Masonic and pseudo-masonic orders are today!