The International Conclave of Golden Dawn Adepts (held in March 2012) was a smashing success! Golden Dawn Adepts from around the world gathered together near Las Vegas, Nevada for a full week of good food, initiation, and an introduction to the advanced Second Order teachings and systems of magic recently released by the Secret Chiefs of the Third Order. Those in attendance were awed by the beauty and majesty of these magical practices.
Las Vegas, Nevada (Near Conclave Location Secluded in the Mojave Desert)
Sadly, reports have surfaced from members of numerous Golden Dawn orders of threats of expulsion to any Adept who attended the conclave, or even who contacted the AO for more information. Although the Conclave was well attended by Adepts from 8 different countries, there were many more who would have liked to have attended, yet did not because they were afraid of expulsion from their order. Following the conclave, Nick Farrell, for example, actually bragged about having had a spy at the conclave, in order to reinforce this fear.
It is one thing when, acting out of envy, unethical leaders of Golden Dawn temples and orders defame the Alpha Omega in books and on the internet.
It is entirely another matter, however, when Golden Dawn leaders deliberately block the spiritual development of their initiates. The spiritual development of Golden Dawn initiates is a sacred responsibility. To actively block Golden Dawn Adepts in their spiritual ascension by cutting them off from advanced teachings and practices is beyond reprehensible.
To remedy this situation, following careful reflection, the Greatly Honored Chiefs of the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha Omega have decided to create a ...
... Secret College of Golden Dawn Adepti ...
... so that qualified Adepts from the ENTIRE Golden Dawn community can learn and use the advanced magical practices recently released by the Secret Chiefs without fear of expulsion or other reprisals from unethical leaders in their own temples or orders.
As a classical Golden Dawn order, we in the Alpha Omega understand the value and importance of initiatic secrecy. This includes not only the importance of keeping initiatic transmissions sacred and protected with secrecy, but also to protect the identities of our Initiates and Adepts.
Effective immediately, Second Order Adepts of ALL Golden Dawn orders and temples everywhere are invited to confidentially apply for membership in the Secret College of Golden Dawn Adepti.
As a member of the Secret College, you will be able to remain in the temple or order to which you presently belong, yet will gain access to the advanced magical practices and materials from the Secret Chiefs not available in your own order.
Rest assured that your membership in the Secret College will remain completely SECRET - as will everything surrounding your application and other involvement.
In this way, no Golden Dawn Adept will ever again be hindered in his or her spiritual development by temple or order Chiefs, more interested in personal power and control, than in the spiritual development of initiates.
All Second Order Golden Dawn members (Portal and above) can apply for membership in the Secret Colllege of Golden Dawn Adepti by using the Contact Us link here. Again, rest assured that everything surrounding your contact with the Alpha Omega will be maintained completely confidential.
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GH Frater Lux ex Septentrionis
David Griffin
HOGD, AO, 33, 90, 96
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So you want to infiltrate and take over other groups. A wonderful, traditional tactic of tiny totalitarian groups. Good luck on that!
ReplyDeleteOh don't be silly. The Alpha Omega is not interested in any sort of domination and control of the Golden Dawn community.
DeleteWe are not the SRIA!
All we want is for all Golden Dawn Adepts to have access to the magical tech that the Secret Chiefs intended for the Golden Dawn all along.
Look. We have offered to share this tech with other orders. It is not our fault that the anti-Semitic SRIA would rather act like Nazis and stifle their Adepts spiritual growth than let the Golden Dawn orders they control sit down and share in the bounty of the Secret Chiefs.
Just because you racist SRIA segregationists want to control the Golden Dawn does not mean that an entire generation of Adepts should remain stuck in their spiritual development at the Adeptus Minor level. All Golden Dawn Adepts have a right to grow and evolve.
Please quit stifling them.
@Anonymous.
DeleteI will tell you something about totalitarism. I try to get on and maintain civil and constructed communications with various adepts, including those outside of the HOGD/AO.
Last year Nick Farrell told me that "He had been ordered to not to associate with me, because I had aligned myself with Griffin" !
Now no one is perfect, and yes G.H Fr L.e.S (David) not without his faults, (err personality) and nor am I for that matter. But even with these criticims, David has never "ordered" me not to communicate with members of the Pat Z camp or anyone. David has never warned me off from doing so; nor has David ever recommended nor encouraged me not to communicate with members of the Pat Z camp or any person.
What does that tell you about the high level of integrity that G.H Fr L.e.S has. And what does it tell you about which group is into controlling of adepts freedoms and practises totalitarism!
Be very careful what side you choose, because any leader that makes these sorts of 'orders' is more of a black magick cult than a valid tradition of spiritual growth.
@Anon - Infiltrate like Nick Farrell and others have bragged about doing to HOGD/AO you mean?
DeleteNo - you see: Invite - Infiltrate...
Two different things. Maybe look the words up in a dictionary...
Ave G.H Fr L.e.S what a splendid idea. How do we sign up?!
ReplyDeleteWrite to me privately Lenny.
DeleteWhat an excellent idea!
ReplyDeleteNo real Adept from other GD orders wish to join your silly group with your New Age practices David. They'd rather join the SRIA instead where real magick is being practiced daily. A book is about to be released in the near future with SRIA archive documents which will debunk your whole order and AO fake lineage. Be forewarned!
ReplyDelete1. Thank you for confirming that it is the SRIA that has been attacking our order for two decades from behind the scenes.
Delete2. Thank you for also confirming that you are an SRIA troll.
3. Thank you for confirming that SRIA is still stirring strife in the Golden Dawn community and operating a Witch Hunt against our order.
Listen, Anonymous. Give it your best shot. First of all, the Golden Dawn is a spiritual tradition. You are thinking like a mere mason and operating from the false belief that you can debunk paper charters.
The Golden Dawn is a SPIRITUAL lineage like Zen or Toibetan Buddhism. As such what matters is the transmission of spiritual practices and associated states of consciousness.
You are dying of jealousy because all you have is paper. You are a paper tiger SRIA. You can not compete with the Third Order of the Golden Dawn.
They have the SPIRITUAL LINEAGE - the SPIRITUAL PRACTICES of the higher grades that you would do ANYTHING to supress, which is why you are trying so hard to destroy the Alpha Omega.
You will never defeat the Third Order. You lose.
And for you to label the Third Order "New Age" is pathetic. They are the source of PERENNIAL wisdom.
It is your reconstructionist McGoldenDawn puppet orders that are introducing New Age nonsense into the Golden Dawn in a desperate attempt to prevent your Adepts from progressing in their spiritual development with the advanced magical practices of the Third Order.l
PS - First you claimed that the SRIA is just a sweet little bunch of old men doing research and not bothering anyone.
DeleteNow you claim SRIA is a magical order!
And you admit that SRIA is actively trying to destroy the Alpha Omega. Thank you for exposing your game.
You got away with trying to destroy our order with your McGD puppets for 20 years by hiding behind your McGD puppets.
But now the world sees you for who your really are:
Fanatical racist segregationists bent on domination and control.
Finally, the Alpha Omega will will always continue to initiate Jews, Muslims, and Pagans, no matter how much you anti-Semites try to destroy our order.
DeleteYou have tried fto destroy us or 20 years. Now the Third Order is protecting us and you still think you can destroy us?
Good luck with that!
@AnonymousMay 21, 2012 5:28 PM..
DeleteEven if what you said is true (which it is not) I for one personally hold multiple lineages and paper charters that connect back through AO/SM GD and also the OTO, to Papus and Levi.. As does also does G.H Fr L.e.S and other adepti. What G.H Fr L.e.S has made known is only the tip of an iceberg. You people have such narrow tunnel vision!
@Anon - No one will join?
DeleteWell, we'll see won't we? It's an open invite.
Oh, maybe you are not actually advanced enough an initiate to even join us? Maybe you are just a boring little noise maker...
Oh well.
SRIA - Let them eat paper...
DeleteThey are spinning beyond desperation now, these SRIA slimeballs.
DeleteThey are so stuck in their 19th Century headspaces though... that they don't seem to be capable of evolving with the times. This means that they are effectively moving BACKWARDS!
If they think that yet another trawl through their musty old archives, and yet another polemic dressed up as history by their puppet journalists is going to stop us... then they are deluded.
Been there! Got the wardrobe full of t-shirts. Moved on...
They are regurgitating the same old same old, in tired whisperings from their ivory towers - while the world ignores them and is moved by game changing evolution.
The Secret College is a Game Changer.
The next SRIA sponsored attack on our Order, no matter how well it is dressed up in denials that it is an attack, and accusations that we in AO only think that it is an attack because we are - tick one from the usual list trotted out by SRIA propaganda Trolls... is ALREADY a damp squib!
We are all BORED. Do you hear that SRIA - B.O.R.E.D. with your manipulations, your entirely predictable spin machine and your little pantomime army of singing and dancing Trolls.
You are no longer the monster in the dark that nobody talked about. The long shadows that you used to cast are now seen in the full light as the typical illusions around power hungry and BANAL individuals full of hatred and bigotry.
You are nothing. You are done. Go away and leave the GD Tradition to take its rightful place as a Spiritual Source for Western Adepti.
Your religious fundamentalism is not welcome here. Much as it must be opposed, it is still boring, and you and your sanctimonious hypocrisy are beyond DULL, duller than stagnant dishwater.
In AO we have the direct experience of the authenticity of our Lineage - via lived experience of the RESULTS of our New Magic.
This is also a Game Changer. It takes only one taste of this as a direct experience in the pragmatism of the Work... to convince an Adept that what we have is REAL, life changingly potent, and proof of the incredible generosity of our Guardians in the Third Order.
SRIA puppets have nothing to offer future generations. Those who sell their souls into a Trinitarian slavery in a wanna-be "Third Order" will still have nothing. Without the Keys you will never have anything to offer outside of illusions and spin.
You are prehistoric relics; We are the future!
@AnonymousMay 21, 2012 5:28 PM..
DeleteYou wrote: "SRIA archive documents which will debunk your whole order and AO fake lineage. Be forewarned" eoq
Are you denying that Nicholas Tereschenko gave Jean-Pascal Ruggiu a Golden Dawn charter? Or are you saying that Nicholas Tereschenko had no right to do so?
Now I would of thought that Regardie was the one with no right to charter Golden Dawn temples.
I really appreciate if these trolls could at least get their history right.
@Anonymous SRIA troll
ReplyDeleteYou have validated that it is the SRIA, with its McGD propagandists, that are directly behind the efforts to destroy the HOGD/A+O.
You waste your energy. As GH Fra. LES has stated above, you have already lost, notwithstanding your empty threats.
@Anonymous SRIA spokesperson
ReplyDeleteYou still believe that you can destroy our order by discrediting our lineages, yet your very approach shows that you do not even understand the Golden Dawn. The GD is not Freemasonry. It is a spiritual tradition. It is the spiritual practices that matter.
When it comes to the spiritual nature of the Golden Dawn, you have already discredited yourselves. SRIA claims to be the Third Order merely because you have some old GD documents in your archives.
Again, in the Golden Dawn it is the SPIRITUAL PRACTICES that matter.
We have put your Third Order pretentions to the test and asked you to explain the most basic spiritual practice of the Third Order, the true meaning of the 0=0.
Why two zeros and what does the = mean? What is the Third Order SPIRITUAL PRACTICE to which 0=0 refers?
If you do not have even the most basic of the Golden Dawn's Third Order SPIRITUAL PRACTICES, then what good are you?
You are like the blind leading the blind.
No. You are worse than the blind leading the blind, because you are actually forbidding Golden Dawn Adepts to use the Golden Dawn's higher Spiritual Practices.
This is very evil of you. - And the Alpha Omega will not stand for it any longer. From now on, we are making these practices available to Golden Dawn Adepts in ALL Golden Dawn orders despite you, your threats, and your attacks.
SRIA Troll,
ReplyDeleteI notice that you do not deny having forbidden GD Adepts to attend the Conclave of the Adepti or to receive any knowledge of the higher spiritual practices of the Golden Dawn.
We know it to be the case, I suppose they realised there was no point in denying it...
DeleteDavid Griffin wrote: "Oh don't be silly. The Alpha Omega is not interested in any sort of domination and control of the Golden Dawn community."
ReplyDeleteI apologize. You're correct. I did say that it was the tactic of tiny totalitarian groups. I should have written it's the tactic of egocentric, power-hungry leaders of tiny, totalitarian groups. So forgive my for misstating what I wrote. There's nothing against your little group...just you and the few other leaders of your group.
David Griffin wrote: "You still believe that you can destroy our order by discrediting our lineages, yet your very approach shows that you do not even understand the Golden Dawn."
I have no idea who wrote the comment to which you're responding, but you again show the technique of a totalitarian leader: when people dare to disagree with you, rather than deal with it you accuse others of attacking your group. This sets up a we vs. them mentality. It's just another technique used by totalitarians trying to dominate those around them.
David, from your failed claims that you and your group are the source of all Wicca to your attempt to infiltrate and control all GD groups, all you have done is feed your enormous ego and turn the GD into a laughingstock.
Congratulations! You're succeeding very well. Many temples closed after Regardie began publishing his books. Your making a mockery of the Golden Dawn may well finish the job. You should be proud! Your ego will take down the entire thing. Too bad you never paid attention to the first law of occultism: gnōthi seauton
@Anon - Um...when people disagree, we invite them to come and find out for themselves.
DeleteWhen their paranoid leaders then ban them from attending and gaining access to the Teachings, we then issue an open and confidential invitation, so they can continue in the Orders they are currently members of.
How exactly is this an attack? Pray tell...
@Anon - you write: Many closed their temples after Regardie began publishing his books.
DeleteThank you for validating our objection to our rituals being published. Good to see that even an anon troll is showing some sense in at least one aspect of this matter.
@Anon - You write: "Your ego will take down the entire thing."
DeleteI have rather more confidence in the Wisdom of the Ages than that. You seem to be ascribing an awful lot of power to one man.
No, I think we are quite safe. The Teachings are flowing, the people are being attracted to them, they are doing the Work and the results are happening for them.
We defend the Rose, but it also has its own Thorns and its own power.
Just as the Tibetan Lineage has only grown in strength since the Chinese oppression, so do we grow and prosper.
We invite. That is all.
Get a grip.
@Anon - let me give you some advice.
DeleteWhy don't you stop wasting your time obsessing about us, and go and do some of your oh so powerful practices to refine your vehicle and get on with your evolution.
Oh, oops, I forgot. They don't really work, do they?
Not surprising, when you can't even answer 0=0.
I mean, really.
We do appreciate all this severe compassion you are showing us, to try to help us find the "One True Path" that you are obviously on, but I really think you would be better off looking to your own progress.
What have you to gain here, really?
It isn't the Alpha et Omega that has profaned all the rituals of MacGregor Mathers' A.O. from Neophyte up to Adeptus Major and its teachings; your front men Nick Farrell and the S.R.I.A. Maga has.
DeleteIt isn't the Alpha et Omega who has ridiculed our founding father S.L. MacGregor Mathers, accusing him of being a right-wing fanatic and a nut case; your front man puppet Nick Farrell has.
It isn't the Alpha et Omega who has regarded the Golden Dawn Tradition to be a late 19th Century reconstruction created in the minds of MacGregor Mathers and W.W.Westcott, deriding the very though of a authentic custodian of the Tradition behind it, the Third Order; your reconstructionist legion of front men has done that, most prominently Nick Farrell.
Allt these actions lead back to your precious "Third Order" of the reconstructionists S.R.I.A.; remenber that Nick Farrell was listed as a officer in your front organization the O.R+C.
It is your actions that may lead to the down fall of the Golden Dawn community. We in the Alpha et Omega are the only ones who stands in the way of your schemings. Contrary to you, we have something very solid and workable to offer to all sincere Adepts of the Golden Dawn community; I can personally vouch for that. And that is why you hate us so much, because you are so scared, and that is why you project so much of your own internal garbage upon us.
Get back to the troll hole where you came from and stop polluting the Golden Dawn community with your filth. On a second note...
Use your own prescription on your self instead; Know Thyself - know your own shadow; you are all in serious need of psychotherapy. And if you are all to scared to meet your own Guardian on the Treshold, why not consider a heavy sedation instead?
S:.R:.
@ SR
DeleteNote Leonard Stevens testimony that Nick Farrell told him Farrell was "ordered" not to associate with Leonard.
Now, who has the authority to order Farrell in his own order.
The Dark Hand of SRIA becomes more visible every day!
Leonard StevensMay 21, 2012 9:29 PM
ReplyDelete@Anonymous.
I will tell you something about totalitarism. I try to get on and maintain civil and constructed communications with various adepts, including those outside of the HOGD/AO.
Last year Nick Farrell told me that "He had been ordered to not to associate with me, because I had aligned myself with Griffin" !
Now no one is perfect, and yes G.H Fr L.e.S (David) not without his faults, (err personality) and nor am I for that matter. But even with these criticims, David has never "ordered" me not to communicate with members of the Pat Z camp or anyone. David has never warned me off from doing so; nor has David ever recommended nor encouraged me not to communicate with members of the Pat Z camp or any person.
What does that tell you about the high level of integrity that G.H Fr L.e.S has. And what does it tell you about which group is into controlling of adepts freedoms and practises totalitarism!
Be very careful what side you choose, because any leader that makes these sorts of 'orders' is more of a black magick cult than a valid tradition of spiritual growth.
Fascinating, the SRIA Slime Troll above calls the leaders totalitarians for offering to share advanced Golden Dawn teachings with Adepts from across the Golden Dawn community, yet Leonard Stevens outs Nick Farrell as claiming he was ORDERED not to associate with Lenny!
ReplyDeleteNow, who might be giving orders to Nick Farrell, except the anti-Semitic totalitarians of the SRIA!
Isn't it fascinating how SRIA keeps accusing the AO of behaving the way that they are PROVEN to behave. They are acting like a bunch of Klansmen.
Shades of MirrorMax...
DeleteAnonymous McSlimeTroll wrote:
ReplyDelete"There's nothing against your little group...just you and the few other leaders of your group."
The quit insulting every member of the Alpha Omega by calling the largest Golden Dawn order in the world a "little group".
You SRIA Nazi's have tried to minimize our order for 20 years. Your attacks are on every one of our members.
SRIA McSlimeTroll wrote:
ReplyDelete"you accuse others of attacking your group. This sets up a we vs. them mentality. It's just another technique used by totalitarians trying to dominate those around them."
Well. Let's see. You attacked the Alpha Omega on the Internet for 20 years. You defamed our leaders. You sued our order in court to try to stop us from using the Golden Dawn name. You published our rituals. You hit us with historical revisionism. You created rumors of a "Political and religious Alpha Omega cult."
Now, Mr. McSlimeTroll, please tell me why every single member of our order might get the misteken impression that you SRIA Nazis are attacking our order using your McGD puppets.
Your words are as vacuous as your brain if you believe anyone at all is stupid enough to believe your twisted logic.
Considering that your keep accusing us of being like you, you are looking more and more like "Anonymous MirrorMax"!
McSlimeTroll wrote:
ReplyDelete"David, from your failed claims that you and your group are the source of all Wicca"
There you go again with one red herring after the other. The Alpha Omega never cleimed to have anything to do with Wicca.
We know that you SRIA Nazis hate Pagans as much as you hate Jews, but your hate fulled lies are growing more and more pathetic by the minute.
Hey, Anonymous McSlimeTroll,
ReplyDeleteInstead of just spewing slime, how about one or two straight answers.
1. Since the SRIA claims to he the Third Order, what is the Spiritual Practice indicated by the tow zeros and the = sign of 0=0, and why cant you answer this simple question.
2. What are Nick Farrell and two other Golden Dawn leaders doing listed as Grand Officers of the racist ORC, and why did RA Gilbert write that anti-Semitic rant?
3. Why are you SRIA freaks acting like Nazis all the time, then accusing the AO of being like you. You are the freaks that ordered Nick Farrell not to talk to who he wants to.
Get over it. The AO will always initiate Jews, Muslims, and Pagans, no matter how many Slime Trolls you racist freaks keep throwing at the good brothers and sisters of our order.
I wonder can you make known the spiritual practice of the formula 1=10 if you have the true meaning.
DeleteIf my parents ORDER me not to get involved with the AO, does this confirm them as members of SRIA? There is faulty logic here. Could Lenny name the person and the circumstances in which Nick was so instructed? Else it's just hearsay. Jorge could give legal advise as to how creadible this information would be.
It has been reported on many other GD blogs that many messages on this blog never make it, I know quite a few of mine never got cleared. Reminds me of the old Yahoo Golden Dawn Meeting group which turned into a awful cesspool. I can imgine that many in GD community have given up on this blog as well as the Yahoo forum, hence that's why it become quite vitriolic in tone, with the same 5 or so posters repeating the same old hatred. Other blogs seem to want to explore ideas and teachings, and even SR blogs have recently turned sour too, whereas his scholarly works were always a pleasure to read and informative.
I'm not in the SRIA.
@AnonymousMay 22, 2012 1:04 PM
DeleteYou are correct. I have no idea who gave Nick the Order. Nick is fully aware of my views on this matter, as I shared them with him. Nick however did not tell me whom the instruction came from.
Anon wrote:
ReplyDelete"No real Adept from other GD orders wish to join your silly group with your New Age practices David."
New Age????
You are just assuming and projecting, Anon.
Just because WE take our oaths and the need for hermetic secrecy seriously does not mean that there is nothing about our claims.
As i have been there at the Conclave i can assure you, little Slime Troll, that the advanced teachings of the AO's Second Order are FAR from being like the fluffy bunny and New Age crap that one can find in other McGD reconstructionist orders nowadays.
These teachings and techniques come from a genuine hermetic (HERMETIC!) source and transcend every Golden Dawn teaching that ever has been published, yet are the logical progression thereof!
What i have seen and experienced makes the so-called advanced teachings of other GD orders look stale and pale.
V.H. Fr P.
Absolutely right!
DeleteFirst, I would suggest to not allow anonymous posts, because if they can bully our Order freely and say any kind of stupidity; why can't we use our right to know who are these people?
ReplyDeleteSecond, why this troll don't answer the questions that G.H. Frater L.e.S asked in a previous post? As I said before, these people don't have anything to bring to the table; they only have talking points.
Third, hey anonymous, please don't come to answer me with bully-style defense when someone steps on you. I know that technique and it's totally bullshit; I will call you what you really are. Tell Farrell to teach you magic, or, if you are Farrell, get a job man, for real.
Maybe Anonymous posters are the not same person. I've always tried to my post civil and signs as 'I'm not SRIA'.
DeleteWriting you are not in the SRIA does not mean you are not. You are still an anonymous troll. I am not. Why are you so afraid to put your name where your mouth is, if you have nothing to hide?
Delete@civil anon - this is part of what makes anon posting so low-fidelity.
DeleteVery hard to tell the one from the other.
You could just pick an abstract name, and then we could distinguish you from the silly trolls we have here.
I'd like that.
@Frater V.L
DeleteI know what you are saying about anonymous postings. However if we disallow them, do we not create a barrier between us and whomever is communicating with us. Communication is important, even between opposing camps. And who is to say, that some of these persons posting anonymously here are not allowed to communicate with us.
But I agree there is a level of cowardice to anonymous postings. Sometimes you just got to put your face out there and head on the chopping block.
SRI America or SRI Anglia? I get confused between the two. Would clarify a few things for me.
ReplyDeleteThis is the biggest nail in the SRIA coffin to date. OR+C racists and misogynistic SRIA anti-Semites are now losing their last hold on the wider GD community - the ability to use threats against Adepti from outside the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha Omega.
ReplyDeleteANONYMITY can be a fine weapon, no? Look at the many SRIA Trolls hiding behind McGD masks and licenses, then hiding even that behind anonymous trolling.
SRIA is horrified at the thought that many INDEPENDENT GD leaders using advanced Spiritual Technologies will be born of the authentic Third Order's initiative.
They are beside themselves that many of those new leaders will be Jews, Pagans, Thelemites (stop the press) and above all, that the selection crieria will NOT be based on Religion at all - and most assuredly not on SRIA's one flavour of one Religion (the Trinitarianism of many Christian extremist oppressors down the ages.)
The dreams of a hegemony based in dusty tomes in jealously guarded libraries are DONE - but it will take SRIA and its puppets some time to take up to the ubiquity of the new currency: Spiritual Authenticity.
They thought our words were empty? They can think again. We have said that SRIA vassals have been force feeding generations of genuine aspirants on fodder comprising nothing more than indigestible cellulose from shredded manuscripts without even the smallest of Keys to open up the Gnosis.
Even the simplest of challenges to their claims of Third Order status have been met with the usual deafening silences.
Now we are sweeping their moldy old menus full of empty book collections off the table and setting the places for a Siritual FEAST.
This is in fact an act of healing in keeping with the finer tenets of Rosicrucianism. The damage done by SRIA Black Magic since 1888 will finally be transcended. Golden Dawn will no longer be the plaything of these arrogant segregationists!
Let them eat moldy books....
DeleteToday I was reading Morgan's blog, and on his last post, he talks about "Secrecy as a business model". In some paragraph, he says "Before anyone thinks that I am talking about them, just remember that everyone points fingers at their enemies with this accusation".
ReplyDeleteWell, let's give the benefit of the doubt and he's talking generally.
One good thing that this post bring to the light, is that give us the chance to make something very clear:
HOGD/AO DOES NOT SELL THINGS. Period.
It is normal that we have to pay our dues, as any other organization, whether they're esoteric or not.
Leaving that point behind, why HOGD/AO is not a business model?, well, this Order, does not sell things. We don't sell robes, tarot cards, talismans, nothing! if you are member of this Order, you have to options:
1. You build your tools yourself; or
2. You go to the very well known sites that sell these tools.
Having said that, for anyone who might accuse the HGOD/AO of being a business, they don't know what the hell are they saying.
I have the privilege to serve at one of our Temples, and all the members do our work voluntarily; we are not forced to do nothing; we don't give away our money; if we have the chance to collaborate, we do it ourselves, by our own accord.
Just to state things clear.
Anonymous McSlimeTroll wrote:
ReplyDelete"No real Adept from other GD orders wish to join your silly group with your New Age practices David. They'd rather join the SRIA instead where real magick is being practiced daily."
If SRIA are such powerful magicians, then why is the Alpha Omega still here. SRIA has been trying to destroy us for decades, and all they accomplished was to make us the largest Golden Dawn order in the world.
McGD SRIA Troll wrote:
ReplyDelete"A book is about to be released in the near future with SRIA archive documents which will debunk your whole order and AO fake lineage. Be forewarned!"
ANOTHER Nick Farrell book from SRIA terrorists attacking our order?
How utterly original.
You SRIA and McGD totalitatians are pathetic.
Your Adepts deserve higher Golden Dawn transmissions, not your silly terrorism.
SRIA McGD Troll wrote:
ReplyDeleteDavid, from ... your attempt to infiltrate and control all GD groups...
Oh, you mean like Nick Farell putting a spy in the conclave and bragging that he knew how many people were there for the post conclave weekend?
Look in the mirror, Max!
SRIA McGD Troll wrote:
ReplyDelete"Congratulations! You're succeeding very well. Many temples closed after Regardie began publishing his books. Your making a mockery of the Golden Dawn may well finish the job. You should be proud! Your ego will take down the entire thing. Too bad you never paid attention to the first law of occultism: gnōthi seauton"
Let me get this straight. Two decades of SRIA cyber-terrorism attacking the AO with the most vile lies and false rumors did nothing to harm the GD.
But the Alpha Omega standing up to SRIA cyber-terrorism is now suddenly destroying the Golden Dawn?
Do even YOU believe your own bullshit?
I am an SRIA member from England and a Golden Dawn Adept. I would love to receive the higher teachings, but am afraid of what might happen to my family. You have no idea what SRIA oaths and reprisals are like.
ReplyDeleteThe new collage is Secret. The S.R.I.A. won't know that you are partaking of the Third Order teachings.
DeleteS:.R:.
They try to pin their "us and them" politics onto us... we don't have a Trinitarian Christian Only "Third Order" to tell us who we can and can't break bread with.
ReplyDeleteWe don't require conversion to Christianity as part of the 8=3 Grade. Not that SRIA puppets have any Mysteria beyond 5=6, but the logic is clear. Only GD 7=4's professing Trinitarian Christianity would be able to enter that Portal into SRIA.
Do the rank and file membership of the vassal McGD orders actually grasp that?
Do they think that SRIAmerica is anything other than a puppet of SRIAnglia?
Their wanna-be "Third Order" is a preserve of class-ridden white male Trinitarians.
The revelation by Leonard Stevens, that Nick Farrell, the head of his own magical order, the MOAA, was "ordered" to not associate with GH Fra. LeS, is the proverbial smoking gun evidence of the machinations of the SRIA.
ReplyDeleteI, for one, thank Leonard for having the courage and the resolve to make this Farrell fact public.
Nick Farrell WAS listed as an officer of the OR+C. He also stated in his latest published polemic that he was assisted in his endeavor by individuals whom did not wish to be identified. He also stated that others were pushing him (maybe it was "ordered") to publish his fictional hatchet-job against Mathers, which polemic also attacked the HOGD/A+O in no uncertain terms, as carefully explained in the Amazon review section of Farrell's book.
The jig is up.
A spot on analysis of the situation!
DeleteS:.R:.
Seriously, anonymous posts should not be allowed anymore; if they have balls to come with lies, why don't they show up themselves?
ReplyDeleteThis blog has brought to the light the confession of the SRIA terrorist operatives. Now there is no doubt about the dark intentions of these people.
How do they dare to pretend to be Rosicrucians? a real Rosicrucian will first of all, venerate and respect the Tradition and these trolls is the last thing they do.
Terrorist??? This not a crisis. Thirteen million peopel in Tokyo drinking radio active water is a crisis.
DeleteThis is a tempest in a teapot.
What is the difference between the names Anonymous and Frater VL. I still won't know who you are. If I call myself VH Frater A, are you any the wiser as to my identity.
DeleteMayne I should start using the title VH Fra LeT. Would that help?
I'm not in the SRIA
@AnonymousMay 22, 2012 1:18 PM
DeleteOf course there is a difference between anonymous and VH Fr A.. this is, we can get to know VH Fr A though a series of blog postings, something about his history, his views, how to contact him via email, where he lives in the world, of what fraternity he is affiliated to.. the list goes on. We don't need to know about his private life.
The fact that Nick Farrell is still around and writing shows the world how weak your magic is. No bite to support your barking. Farrell's magic (SRIA) must be stronger. All you can do is put negative reviews about his books without even reading them. Where is your Third Order to stop Farrell? Nonexistent. Just like your Secret Chiefs. You make up Secret Chiefs so you can justify your totalitarian control of your members. You acquire documents from other groups' archives and claim them to be from the Third Order. We got your number bub.
ReplyDeleteThese anon guys are not getting that this is a LIVING current....
DeleteHelllooooo....A living current. It LIVES.
Throwing around a few archives is exceedingly disrespectful, and harmful in a time bound way, but in the longer term, the actual current just keeps on going.
That is what a living current DOES.
And those who are connected with it evolve.
And those who are not - they shrivel.
There are many valid living currents in this world.
Pray you are connected to one....
@AnonymousMay 22, 2012 8:33 AM
DeleteYou wrote "The fact that Nick Farrell is still around and writing shows the world how weak your magic is. No bite to support your barking. Farrell's magic (SRIA) must be stronger."
This is really an example of wrong thinking. Why, okay.. consider I have a copy of his 'Mathers Last Secret' and 'King Over Water'; though I don't necessarily agree with all the conclusions he has drawn, he has made a contribution to the Golden Dawn. You see adepts can disagree and even dislike each other. This is diversity and maturity. And something I expect from a magical Order such as the Golden Dawn. It has to do with adepthood. .. however cowardly posting behind anonymous is not a sign of adepthood. Reducing the Western Mystery Tradition to his/her magick must be stronger is not a sign of adepthood, because we all have strengths and weakness - things we are good at and things we are not so good at. The Third Order of the HOGD/AO does exist.. I do not deny this, even though I personally dislike the idea of backroom adepts playing Secret Chiefs. Has G.H Fr L.e.S banned me or excluded me because of my dislike towards Secret Chiefs, a view I have made public often enough. No he has not, G.H Fr L.e.S has tolerated my view and criticisms of even himself as well as the Secret Chiefs. This is a sign of maturity and leadership.
The HOGD/AO is not totalitarian, in any way shape or form.
@Anon: We are not like you. We don't resort to black magic. We don't have too.
DeleteSpeaking of Jesuits, I would not at all be surprised if it really were the Jesuits behind all of these SRIA attacks on the Golden Dawn. The SRIA slime troll claimed that the Alpha Omega is the source of Wicca. What interest is Wicca to SRIA. It is damned interesting to Jesuits though. They tried to stamp out the Pagans for 2,000 years.
ReplyDeleteThe Jesuits REALLY hate Pagans. Nothing pisses them off more than that even after Centuries of Inquisition Paganism survived and is reasserting itself with Wicca.
I smell a Jesuit in the SRIA woodpile!
Nah, the S.R.I.A. is a WASP supremacy organizations. In the O.R+C manifesto they stated that the Anglo-Saxons were God's chosen people. Reading the S.R.I.A. troll 'Teletourgos' it is plainly stated that RAG (the chief ideologist of the S.R.I.A.) considers not only the Trinitarian Christian faith to be the only true, but also the Protestant.
DeleteSo, the S.R.I.A. hate Catholics as much as they hate Pagans, Muslims and Jews.
But I agree that the comparison between the S.R.I.A. and the Jesuits is valid. They have surely studied the way of the Jesuit to build their own empire.
S:.R:.
@anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou state: "The fact that Nick Farrell is still around and writing shows the world how weak your magic is. No bite to support your barking. Farrell's magic (SRIA) must be stronger."
Another confirmation that Farrell is operating under the dictatorial command of the SRIA in publishing his attacks on the HOGD/A+O.
Additionally, this troll discloses the perverted ethos of those he clumsily defends. There is no need to use black magick to stop Farrell, nor would such a thing be done by those defending the Rose. Time and the light of the truth will be Farrell's undoing, as well as that of his masters.
Nice to see you stooping to the level of attempting to get others to betray their own oaths by joining other RC orders while still belonging to their own. Nothing spills the cat out of the bag like behavior. "By their fruits, ye shall know them".
ReplyDelete@Anon - by their choices we shall know them...
DeleteReally? What oaths are you referring to? There is nothing in traditional Golden Dawn oaths that prohibits other order affiliations. There is also nothing in traditional Golden Dawn oaths that prohibit Jews, Pagans, Muslims, or Thelemites from being initiated either.
DeleteI am aware of anti-Semitic and anti-Pagan clauses in the oaths of the SRIA though. Are you saying that SRIA's xenophobix, racist and segregationist oath clauses have now been exported to their McGoldenDawn puppet orders as well?
I have heard that there are reconstructionist Golden Dawn Orders who prohibits their members of joining Thelemic Orders, and other Orders of the Golden Dawn Tradition. This is a odd addition to the 0=0 oath I must say.
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Could Lenny name the person and the circumstances in which Nick was so instructed? Else it's just hearsay.
ReplyDeleteActually, it is not mere hearsay. It is a credible account of a statement made by Nick Farrell as made by a direct witness.
Delete@AnonymousMay 22, 2012 1:28 PM
DeleteIt is not hearsay. Nick Farrell did not tell me whom gave him the Order. You will need to ask Nick Farrell for that. But I doubt that he will discuss it with people he does not know and trust.
The circumstances sure, I was having a general bitch season with Nick about G.H Fr L.e.S (David) due Jean-Pascal Ruggiu resigning from the HOGD/AO and Nick and was having a bitch about David too because of his book. G.H Fr L.e.S has broad enough shoulders!
Nick Farrell and I get on well, and I personally take exception at the cult type orders he was given. And I suspect he may also.
Actually you guys were having a bitch season on partial information. JPRuggiu did not at all resign from HOGD/AO though he has put Ahathoor Lodge "en sommeil" for a time citing personal reasons. You also seem to think that this was connected with GH Frater LeS in some way? It was not. The personal reasons were entirely Paris based.
DeleteRest assured however, that the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha Omega continues in France with another Lodge stepping in while Ahathoor has Her much deserved Parisian sleep.
@Aletheia. Thanks I am very glad to hear this.
DeleteOther blogs seem to want to explore ideas and teachings, yet this one is a cesspool. Even SR blogs have recently turned sour too, whereas his scholarly works were always a on a par with other fine GD scholars.
ReplyDeletePlease Troll, I mean anonymous:
ReplyDeleteHow can you compare a scholar like SR with those yellow journalists?
Why do you guys censor this blog so heavily?
ReplyDeleteYou are full of it. There is not even one of the SRIA controlled McGoldenDawn blogs that allow anonymous posters. We are so liberal in moderation that we even let nonsense like what you just wrote though!
DeleteThat is just pure McGD spin - we are the least censored space there is. Though even we must filter out content that is actually illegal.
Delete@ Anon - Wow. So you consider the open invitation to Adepts, and the starting of the new Core Magick series as not exploring ideas and teachings?
ReplyDeleteYou consider the research SR has been doing on the Egyptian roots as not being invested in exploring ideas?
I know there is a lot of noise and smoke but these things are also there, hopefully you have not become too jaded.
Having said that, we of coures would also much prefer to sit and discuss scholarly topics with you all. Of course we would.
Unfortunately philosophising can generally only be done in short bursts when one is engaged in defending oneself.
However, we are also continuing to progress on some more scholarly works, and hope to publish them soon.
@anonymous
ReplyDeleteYou state: "Could Lenny name the person and the circumstances in which Nick was so instructed? Else it's just hearsay."
Lenny's reporting of what Farrell told him is not hearsay. Whether or not Farrell was telling the truth, however, might be hearsay, if Lenny had related what Farrell was told, but he didn't, he only relayed Farrell's conclusive remarks about what he had been instructed to do. Further, since Farrell is a player in this dark drama, it is likely that an admission from him would not be considered hearsay either.
But this is not a courtroom and your cry of hearsay is but an attempt to impugn Lenny's word.
I have read a lot of Lenny's interactions in the blogosphere. He has always appeared to be well-balanced, not unreasonably biased, and quite knowledgeable of that which he speaks. I think I find his word more credible than an anonymous troll yelling "hearsay."
Sounds like your decision to let Adepts of other orders have access to higher teachings without fear of SRIA reprisals really hit a nerve!
ReplyDeleteSound like the AO making available the higher Second order spiritual practices to Adepts of other GD orders without fear of SRIA reprisals really hit a nerve!
ReplyDeleteSRIA sounds terrified. They had such a strong emotional reaction that they even slipped up and said that Adepts would rather join SRIA than learn higher GD magic and teachings! Can you believe that?
Now we'll see.
DeleteAll the internet noise and pontificating in the world melts into irrelevance as the people come to get authentic teachings from a living tradition!
SRI America or SRI Anglia?
ReplyDeleteI'm still not sure which one you are talking about. They are vastly different organisation with different goals, membership requirements and agendas.
Cheers
The husband of the Grand Maga of SRIA America is also a high muckymuck of SRIA Anglia and SRIC Canada. They are both also Grand Officers (Grand Exponent and 2d Grand Ancient) of the Order of the Rose and Cross. All three orders use the black cross. For all intents and purposes, they are quite literally married to one other.
Delete@MvdV - As matters stand, with historical evidence of their ACTUAL behaviour over the years, I must consider SRIAmerica as no more than the junior vassal of the real power holder in that relationship - SRIAnglia.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore - there are KEY players who are to be found linked with BOTH organisations. There may well be differences of local agenda on many points, but when it comes to the vendetta against AO there is no difference at all.
SRIA/OR+C are up to their necks in this Witch Hunt, but it started long ago in SRIAnglia - that is the only substantial difference here.
Reading David Griffin bio "is also a high grade Freemason (IX Degree in the Swedish Rite, 32 Degree in the A.A.S.R., Knight Templer in the York Right(Rite) etc..." From wikipedia "The Swedish Rite demands members be Christian and not just that they believe in a supreme being. Like other regular Masonic organisations, only men are allowed membership.
ReplyDeleteFrom Wikipedia "The Knights Templar is an international philanthropic chivalric order affiliated with Freemasonry. Unlike the initial degrees conferred in a Masonic Lodge, which only require a belief in a Supreme Being regardless of religious affiliation, the Knights Templar is one of several additional Masonic Orders in which membership is open only to Freemasons who profess a belief in the Christian religion. "
THe ASSR seems to be more tolerant.
Could these affiliations be seen as mysogynistic, anti Jewish, anti Pagan etc?
Just wondering how this gets 'squared' up.
You are quoting from a long outdated bio. If this inaccurate information is somewhere still on our websites please tell me where so it can be updated. Moreover, this has been clarified previously on multiple occasions.
DeleteWikipedia:
"A talking point in debate or discourse is a succinct statement designed to persuasively support one side taken on an issue. A political think tank will strategize the most effective informational attack on a target topic and launch talking points from media personalities to saturate discourse in order to frame a debate in their favor, standardizing the responses of sympathizers to their unique cause. When used politically in this way, the typical purpose of a talking point is to propagandize, specifically using the technique of argumentum ad nauseam, i.e. continuous repetition within media outlets until accepted as fact."
The SRIA trolls are beginning to use their old propaganda "talking points" again here on our forum, repeating oft refuted allegations as though they were being made for the first time.
I have previously clarified this matter on numerous occasions, yet the trolls merely repeat their same argument hoping that if they repeat it long enough, it it will eventually stick.
Here is the reality. Over a decade ago, I let all memberships in nearly all Freemasonic Rites lapse as I found them all lacking in any esoteric value whatsoever.
In my opinion, there is only one Freemasonic Rite that has any substantial esoteric value. This is the Ancient and Primitive Rite of Memphis and Mizraim, in which I remain a member in good standing, and in which I am 33, 90, 96.
As I have also previously clarified on numerous occasions, I briefly joined the SRICF in the United States, unaware of its anti-Semitic nature as my application was actually sponsored by a Jew. Shortly thereafter, my sponsor was expelled from SRICF for being a Jew. I left in dusgust and never attended another SRICF meeting again. I remain appalled by this blatent racism until today.
NOTE: We will no longer approve posts from SRIA trolls contianing propaganda talking points.
I think this it is absolutely wonderful that you are offering this to member of other Golden Dawn camps! My only wish is that it would be well received by others in the community of Golden Dawn magicians, and that we all could just find a little peace in fraternity and could agree to disagree when needed. My only question would be is this offer open to magicans that have self initiated through aids such as " The Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic", "Kabbalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation: A Complete Course", and "Modern Magick Twelve Lessons in the High Magickal Arts"?
ReplyDeleteI googled your bio and it came up with http://www.golden-dawn.com/en/displaycontent.aspx?pageid=70-types-of-esoteric-orders-and-the-reformation-fraternitatis which must still be active if Google can find it.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe i'm trolling, only trying to slowly piece the pieces together from the bio on the above link. Would it be OK to ask exactly how long your membeship in the SRICF continued. Are we talking months or years. It does give a contextual perspective.
Thank you for pointing out one place where my biography still had not been updated. You will find my official biography at on the AO website at:
Deletehttp://www.golden-dawn.com/eu/displaycontent.aspx?pageid=173
It has been reproduced so many places, it would not surprise me if it were still inaccurate somewhere else. In any case, the problem has been corrected at the link you give above and I thank you for bringing the inaccuracy to my attention.
I only attended one SRICF meeting once, of my initial initiation. I was appalled at the lack of esoteric content and poor ritual quality. It was only about a month later that my sponsor was expelled from SRICF for being Jewish. Utterly disgusted I never attended another SRICF ritual ever again.
Again, this has all been covered over and over before in the past.
NOTE: We will no longer approve posts from SRIA trolls containing propaganda talking points.
ReplyDeleteA good choice. The rats are running around biting and scratching in a fearful frenzy as the SRIA ship takes on hole after hole.
They are now running here with the most BORING repetitions of mouldy old talking points!
Shall we publish a pamphlet and SELL it to them?! Ha ha. We could list all 120 of the "Most Famous McGD Talking Points of All Time" with the variety of answers that Alpha Omega Adepti have made over the decades.
Include special picture features of classic SRIA Hate Blogs and Pages of 2005, with a special offer, once only pull-out feature of the best of 2012 Hate Blogs!
Then we could make a DVD with extra archival material and complete with the various published words of L.e.T. adorned with further analysis by the Secret College!
The McGD Trolls just don't seem to get it - their tedious repetition of the same old shopping list of propaganda talking points is just proving that they are actually bereft of any valid arguments now. Their game is over. All played out.
They are like a headless chicken that has yet to grasp that the end already happened.
It is also time to demonstrate a measure of compassion to those honest aspirants who are not coming here in their thousands each month just to be hijacked by SRIA sponsored McGD Slime.
What I object to the most in talking point propaganda is that once it has been answered the effective information content in further repetitions sinks to ZERO. It is a bandwidth consuming assault on the reader.
ReplyDeleteIf a new and interesting point is being made, however aggressively, then that brings information with it and it becomes possible to COMMUNICATE.
I agree with Leonard Stevens that communication is a good thing - it is why we have a blog in the first place. Repetitious propaganda ceases to be communication in my opinion. It is just disrespectful NOISE - and I am happy to have it filtered out.
This blog has long been the ONLY uncensored high volume channel available - let's not allow that to be abused by these few anonymous propaganda trolls.
We have a readership topping 25 000 a month now - and we owe them a higher class of content than SRIA sponsored propaganda.
I took a lengthy correspondence course (costing me thousands) and I did also have to sit exams in order to progress, and then I earned my way into various astral initiations... can I please join the Secret College too? (I no longer have the kind of money that I paid for those lessons, but I'm not afraid of hard work!)
ReplyDeleteCare et VH Frater LeT,
ReplyDeletePlease either post anonymously or choose a different alias if you want your posts approved here. You cause confusion when on this blog you use the same initials as our primary contact with the Secret Chiefs of the Third Order, Lux e Tenebris, Frater LeT, who occasionally publishes communiquees here on this blog.
Lux ex Septentrionis
I am joining the Secret College. I will tell you what personally decided me on this.
ReplyDeleteI have observed various "Golden Dawn" Orders and their agents using spies, using publishing as an act of esoteric terrorism and positively extolling the outright publication of ALL material related to GD. They have made it clear that if they could get their grubby little hands on anything coming out of Alpha Omega, then they would publish it in an instant.
To any honest person, from any walk of life, these are the words of dishonest and dispicable people who have no self-respect, still less the capacity to respect the Initiatic Secrecy of any and ALL Hermetic Societies.
Clearly they are not Hermeticists, whatever else they may like to call themselves.
Of late they are even writing pseudo-intellectual polemics to redefine the Mysteries, removing from the warped world view they peddle any support for the themes of the Traditional View, to which they would deny any validity whatsoever. These are acts of "ideological cleansing" and pseudo-scholarship is their chief weapon of choice. That they do this from a Religious perspective has really put a nail in their coffin for me. The self-serving dishonesty of these writers is simply breathtaking.
One might have to go back to the distortions and manipulative funding practices aimed at preventing the contents of the tablets of ancient Sumer ever coming to light to find a similarly extreme case of Religious interference in the reporting of ancient traditions. (Though political interference still abounds.)
I hear a tale told about Fr. L.e.S. about how he was publicly offered the entire corpus of "secrets" of a rival Order - pretty much on a plate. He instantly responded "I would not like that done with AO Secrets, so I would never stoop to such behaviour either - it would make me no better than they are. You don't have to buy progress here by bribing us with your secrets - just do the Work!"
The integrity of those words shines through. He may get up many people's noses (a virtue in my book), but there is no doubting his honour and Initiatic Integrity.
Why is it that the TRUE Hermetic Gnosis always draws such swarms of angry hoodlums to it when its portals become publicly accessible? Is it that the trolls get shown themselves in a mirror and resent facing themselves so much? Or is it as simple as power envy in the face of self-evidently superior teachings and standards? Are they chained to the almighty dollar and in fear of losing their milch cows? I don't know. I do know where I will be hanging my hat, and that is in the lobby of the Secret College, with those of other Colleagues; HONEST aspirants who I can also trust to keep MY secrets safe.
Well SAID!
DeleteI would like to thank all of our allies in the esoteric Community who have stood by us during the past couple of months when the SRIA, using anonymous trolls and their McGD puppets, unleashed their Witch Hunt against the Alpha Omega.
ReplyDeleteI would particularly like to thank the other Traditional Golden Dawn, Hermetic, and Rosicrucian orders. Your support and encouragement has meant a lot to Alpha Omega members during this time of trial.
I would also like to thank our friends in the Sovereign Sanctuaries of the Memphis and Misraim Rite of Freemasonry as well as in the British Traditional Witchcraft community.
All of your warm wishes, encouragement, and support has meant a great deal to all the members of the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha Omega during this time of trial when the defense of the reputation of our order became paramount following the release of Nick Farrell's book attacking the AO and its founder on behalf of SRIA.
It has been a rough ride, but now the entire world knows that it has been SRIA, ORC, and their McGD stooges that have been creating all of the strife in the Golden Dawn community for 20 years now.
Sometimes there is a rough ride needed in order to restore balance and harmony.
ReplyDeleteMy good wishes, too, go out for all the people who stood behind us with encouragement.
Ma'at has set the scales:
Truth will prevail!
V.H. Fr. P.
I believe it was a good decision to make this blog a anonymous troll free zone. They just won't let go and their talking points and rhetoric just stoops further and further down, dragging the enitire debate with them. The only good medicine against trolls is not to feed them. Don't give them any bandwidth.
ReplyDeleteThe only good thing with it is that it clearly shows the public that we have been true in our exposure of the S.R.I.A. and their infiltration and attempted take over of the Golden Dawn, using pseudo-historians and profanation as their main weapon. Now it is on record thanks to the trolls. Clearly, the S.R.I.A. and their trolls have no experience of dealing with these sort of things in the public; they are more used to hiding in the shadows and pulling their strings.
They have lost. The Alpha et Omega is still here, standing strong and more commited than ever to transmit a true and undiluted Tradition from authentic sources to all serius Adepts of the Golden Dawn Community, not only to Alpha et Omega initiates.
S:.R:.
I think this it is absolutely wonderful that you are offering this to member of other Golden Dawn camps! My only wish is that it would be well received by others in the community of Golden Dawn magicians, and that we all could just find a little peace in fraternity and could agree to disagree when needed. My only question would be is this offer open to magicans that have self initiated through aids such as " The Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic", "Kabbalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation: A Complete Course", and "Modern Magick Twelve Lessons in the High Magickal Arts"?
ReplyDelete@ Anon
ReplyDeleteWe are a traditional Golden Dawn order, and as such we require actual, physical initiation. You would, at a minimum, need to take all of those initiations physically. You may not need to repeat all of the curiculum, however, if you can demonstrate mastery of the material. This is being decided on a case by case basis.
In all fairness, one cannot compare the Swedish Rite, or any of the Templar rites, with the S.R.I.A. (who is strictly for WASP's). The Swedish Freemasonic Order doesn't require a Trinitarian Christian faith. It simply requires a "Christian faith" and it underlines that it is to each individual to decide what constitutes such a faith, without any confessional or institutional requirements. Thus you may even be a "esoteric christian", debunking all exoteric Christian creeds, the divinity of Christ, or even be outside any congregation, to be allowed to enter the Swedish Freemasonic Order. The Swedish Freemasonic Order requires a Christian faith because it uses christian Templar symbolism in its higher degrees. Don't mix apples with oranges.
ReplyDeleteGreetings to everyone here. I am an outsider with no affiliation with any Order, with strong interest in joining The Golden Dawn. I've been interested since my first exposure to the occult at the age of 12, nearly 20 years ago. The internet was not readily accessible back then, nor was it for me during my teen years. I wasted the first half of my 20s partying, and spent the other half traveling. Now I turn 32 in a few days, and with the help of the internet, it seems my desire all these years to seek you out is becoming a reality---
ReplyDeleteAnd so, for many days now, I have been refamiliarizing myself with everything and I've been reading endlessly as much as I possibly can. I cannot help but notice a HUGE amount of this fighting going back and forth between the Orders and I'm not understanding why there is so much confusion and chaos? It seems that despite this conversation I have chosen to enter being over 4 years old now, the same fighting and chaos is still occurring.
Why?
Isn't the purpose of the Order, regardless of 'faction' supposed to be the same? Isn't the end goal personal enlightenment and to help bring about that same change in our brothers and sisters worldwide? This fighting is destructive of these means.
I've had one heck of a wild life, and the things I've seen and done are endless. I've been everywhere for a very long time and though my body is still somewhat young, my mind and soul is becoming very old. I do not care much for this fighting nonsense. I am just me now, as the people I used to know have all moved on while I spent years as wild as the wind across the Earth...
I seek a higher purpose for my life and I thirst for wisdom. I need to plant my roots, before my body catches up with my soul.
During my studying and researching for many, many days and hours now, it appears that David Griffin is correct and the Order he represents is the true order. What I am not understanding is why there are other Orders. Why are they divided? And why can they not be united?
I'm on a quest for wisdom here. Can some of you shed some light on this with things that aren't readily available through the power of Google and your websites and content therein? Or maybe some things I have missed?
Thanks,
Neon