tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post4831709250022435365..comments2023-09-01T10:08:28.177-07:00Comments on The Golden Dawn Blog: Golden Dawn Witch Hunt Revealed: FundamentalismImperator David Griffinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-58880168279648512652012-04-05T21:45:45.717-07:002012-04-05T21:45:45.717-07:00@ Morgan. Hi Morgan, i think one of the problems ...@ Morgan. Hi Morgan, i think one of the problems (from my readings of various posts - rightly or wrongly) is that there seems to be a general attack on the HOGD/AO Order by various. Though admittedly much of it does seem foolish. The issue however becomes that members of the HOGD/AO and its associates (such as myself) feel victimised and placed in an awkward position in defending our Order. So GH Fr L.e.S takes up the sword so to speak, and quite rightly defends his Order, whether such is rational or not. I should state that G.H Fr L.e.S have had some major disagreements especially over the Secret Chiefs in the past, but this does not negate G.H Fr L.e.S role and duty in defending his Order; and nor should any issues various other adepts have with G.H Fr L.e.s be used as an excuse to attack our Order. Because the HOGD/AO is not just G.H Fr L.e.S but also its members and associates. Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-67660951008834711372012-04-05T20:52:56.316-07:002012-04-05T20:52:56.316-07:00David, my interest in GD doesn't end just beca...David, my interest in GD doesn't end just because you managed to label my actions in a way that calls for my resignation. Furthermore, there is a chance that the lodge I belong to will decide that an offense against you is not a crime against them.Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-23111977810187915182012-04-02T19:35:36.241-07:002012-04-02T19:35:36.241-07:00I haven't decided yet. I have already removed ...I haven't decided yet. I have already removed the "Golden" part.Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-3662736105073407072012-04-02T09:06:26.828-07:002012-04-02T09:06:26.828-07:00@ Morgan
Will you now be changing the name of you...@ Morgan<br /><br />Will you now be changing the name of your blog to something like "Gleamings from the Christmas Kitties"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-9398830165820410322012-04-01T20:51:01.047-07:002012-04-01T20:51:01.047-07:00You win---I am no longer a member of Golden Dawn.You win---I am no longer a member of Golden Dawn.Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-43653966649680040942012-04-01T19:34:38.208-07:002012-04-01T19:34:38.208-07:00@ Morgan
Resigning from what?@ Morgan<br /><br />Resigning from what?Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-51289455270518971922012-04-01T18:17:37.122-07:002012-04-01T18:17:37.122-07:00I will be sure to put my use of the "vilest&q...I will be sure to put my use of the "vilest" language into my resignation letter.Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-25959153304147300982012-04-01T16:41:25.454-07:002012-04-01T16:41:25.454-07:00@ Morgan
The sad thing is the article you wrote t...@ Morgan<br /><br />The sad thing is the article you wrote that offended so many people could have been easily written without so many emotion laden words. This would have gotten your point much better.<br /><br />You are right about another thing too. You were not heard. But then again, it is hard to hear even your brother when he is screaming at you with expletives.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-52395961278597444112012-04-01T16:19:29.458-07:002012-04-01T16:19:29.458-07:00Morgan Eckstein wrote:
To Griffin and company:
Yo...Morgan Eckstein wrote:<br /><br />To Griffin and company:<br />You are not getting an apology.<br />I have expressed my honest opinions, and been told that I am utterly wrong by you. <br />I feel that you think that my Golden Dawn and AO related experiences (not your trademarked AO, but they did call themselves AO) are invalid and unimportant. That alarms me. <br />I feel insulted by your anti-scholar, anti-historian, anti-writer, anti-book reviewer stance. <br />I feel like I have been called a witch burning Christian. <br />And yes, I whine and complain a lot; my Jewish ancestors live on in me. <br />The only opinion you seem to believe is valid is yours. I disagree. Therefore, you will not be getting an apology from me. <br />I am sorry, but I think we have to be enemies. <br />Morgan Drake Eckstein <br /><br />Morgan,<br />I hear yuo feeling like you are being unjustly treated. This is exactly how the members of the AO felt also when you called our order the vilest names possible and called our members fools. I have known you to be a just and fair man until now with a wonderful sense of humor.<br />I still see you as a Golden Dawn brother and a respected author.<br />But I do not at all respect your behavior when you behave in an offensive manner towards the AO and its members. We are all brothers and sisters. There is no need to lash out with hatred and derision. There has been far too much of that in our community already.<br /><br />I do not at all think you are a Witch burning Christian. I do honestly believe that you were actiing like a Fundamentalist when you offended the members of our order with vile slander on your blog. <br />And now you feel offended as well.<br />I have no doubt that you as a brother Adept have the empathy to understand how your brothers and sisters in our order felt when you did what you did.<br />I do not concemn you personally, Morgan. How can I. You are my Golden Dawn brother. I only condemn your offensive behavior in a specific instance that clearly offensive.<br />Fundamentalism has caused far too much division and hurt in our community. The time has come for each of us to root it out within ourselves and to see a brother where we thought we saw an enemy.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-11026159996950091742012-04-01T15:55:01.294-07:002012-04-01T15:55:01.294-07:00Care Frater VL,
I am not trying to silence you. Y...Care Frater VL,<br /><br />I am not trying to silence you. You are doing fine work on your blog. I am merely asking you, as frustrating as it is to watch the Fundamentalists go on attacking our order over and over, not to descend to their level.<br /><br />Our Adepts are doing a fine job of defending our order, despite the Tsunami of hatred the Fundamentalists have been pouring over all of us on the net since the Conclave ended.<br /><br />The reason why they have been so successful is because no one from our order is stooping to the level of the Fundies and flaming them back.<br /><br />They are just waiting for anyone from our order to show the slightest aggression, so that they can pour forth again the full force of their hatred and blame everything on us like they have been doing for 20 years.<br /><br />This time that game is not working for them thanks to the discipline and restraint being shown by all of our Fratres and Sorores.<br /><br />This time the Fundies are being seen for the hate mongering bullies they truly are!Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-20264101144975466872012-04-01T14:28:20.907-07:002012-04-01T14:28:20.907-07:00Understood, I'll keep on doing my work instead...Understood, I'll keep on doing my work instead. Thanks for reminding me the importance of hold our breaths.<br /><br />Thanks.Frater VLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10619107821232308608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-69522305138998011102012-04-01T13:24:39.051-07:002012-04-01T13:24:39.051-07:00Thank you, David, for setting an example of such r...Thank you, David, for setting an example of such restraint. The Golden Dawn community needs more leaders like youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-72988883223573007542012-04-01T13:10:42.766-07:002012-04-01T13:10:42.766-07:00Care Frater VL,
I feel your outrage, brother. All...Care Frater VL,<br /><br />I feel your outrage, brother. All of the good brothers and sisters of our order are fed up with the constant aggression and poisonous hatred being spewed out across the Internet by the Golden Dawn Fundamentalists in their Witch Hunt against the members of our order.<br /><br />As a Pagan, I too am shocked and disappointed to discover also Morgan, a fellow Pagan, behaving like a fanatical Fundamentalist towards his Golden Dawn brothers and sisters in the AO.<br /><br />Still, Frater, I ask you once again as I have asked all of the Fratres and Sorores of our order, to set a shining example for the rest of the Golden Dawn community, by not stooping to the level of the Fundamentalists.<br /><br />I ask that you not strike back, even though you have clearly been wronged over and over for 20+ years now.<br /><br />The best strategy is to continue to show restraint and just let the Fundies spew their hatred across the net.<br /><br />They are unmasked and now the whole world sees them for what they truly are.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-56978449262634205052012-04-01T10:56:02.227-07:002012-04-01T10:56:02.227-07:00@Morgan,
I've have followed your blog for som...@Morgan,<br /><br />I've have followed your blog for some time now, and I don't like you either; you're a cry-baby that called me and my fellow Order Members "fools" in your blog, when you said that we are "the poor fools".<br /><br />Who the hell are you to call me a "Fool"? I'm a member of this Order and you don't know me to make such claims. I demand from you an apology, otherwise, I will have to put your name on a blog, and you will not like what you will read, I can promise that.<br /><br />Frater VL.Frater VLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10619107821232308608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-78735668167693139802012-04-01T10:31:15.410-07:002012-04-01T10:31:15.410-07:00I do not believe that the Golden Dawn Fundamentali...I do not believe that the Golden Dawn Fundamentalists will ever end their Witch War on the AO as long as they see any advantage in it.<br /><br />Our goal is to make it actually disadvantageous for them by exposing their actual game to the public and their members over and over.<br /><br />This strategy proved deadly effective against the attacks on our order by Robert Zink. Once the EOGD membership fully understood what was happenning, they voted with their feet and left Zink alone with a sinking EOGD ship.<br /><br />Unless they end their hate filled Witch Hunt against the members of the AO, the same thing will ultimately happen to the other GD Fundamentalists who continue to attack the AO until today. The rank and file Golden Dawn community has grown quite weary of this nonsense and no longer buy into the "blame games" that the Fundies use to perpetuate their aggression. <br /><br />You are quite correct that my time is better spent on other duties. I am therefore deeply grateful to the Adepts of the AO, who are taking more and more of the burden of the internet reputation defense of our order, so that my time is freed up for more important duties.<br /><br />This does not mean that reputation defense is no longer important. It has been for 20+ years and remains so even today. We will not allow a distorted image of reality be created in the public mind by the Fundamentalist masters of illusion.<br /><br />Wherever the Golden Dawn Fundamentalists spew their poison on the Internet, our Adepts will be waiting for them. Let there be no doubt about it. Ultimately, the truth shall prevail, and the light shall triumph over the darkness of Fundamentalist misrepresentation, misdirection, and personal attack.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-92059773171360627522012-04-01T09:50:16.587-07:002012-04-01T09:50:16.587-07:00I am not a member of GD but I am interested in joi...I am not a member of GD but I am interested in joining thw AO. I sense that the gap between GD fundamentalists and traditionalists widens in such a rate that any kind of communication is not only futile, but counterproductive. As stated, it's not appropriate for a GD Imperator to spend all his time and energy on cyber bitch fights. I suggest that a manifesto with the tenets and positions of AO should be created. Anyone interested should put up with it, or shut up for ever.Nik64https://www.blogger.com/profile/09143120114409716706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-39355954148248566542012-04-01T05:38:16.519-07:002012-04-01T05:38:16.519-07:00Fundamentalists do vibrate slowly but they appear ...Fundamentalists do vibrate slowly but they appear to be an essential part of hosting and transmitting essoteric knowledge for they know not what they do. When myth is translated literally, many things "ought" to be different. It is what it is.<br /><br />It is quite an order to expect 7 billion people to see the "Father" the same way when even siblings see their dad differently and most of the time that is with the use of the four senses.<br /><br />Thank you. Bless you. I am grateful for the time and effort you devote.Frater N.T.I.K.T.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-4997817345906804592012-03-31T22:13:17.940-07:002012-03-31T22:13:17.940-07:00I am sorry--I still like Elvis better than you.I am sorry--I still like Elvis better than you.Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.com