tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post3001645412665570521..comments2023-09-01T10:08:28.177-07:00Comments on The Golden Dawn Blog: The Golden Dawn Debates II: Nick Farrell & Sam Scarborough vs. Robert Zink on Astral InitiationImperator David Griffinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-42376012193515571992011-04-27T18:31:49.856-07:002011-04-27T18:31:49.856-07:00@ Robert Zink
This has been a busy day for blog a...@ Robert Zink<br /><br />This has been a busy day for blog article recycling for Robert Zink. Bob just published yet ANOTHER article on Astral Initiation in response to this one that Bob calls:<br /><br />"Don’t let them steal your Light. Your RIGHT to be astrally Initiated."<br /><br />And guess what? Bob merely repeats his same "talking points" yet AGAIN and does not even address one single issue that Golden Dawn scholars Nick Farrell, Sam Scarborough, etc. have raised rebutting his talking points already.<br /><br />For example, instead of finally providing even one shred of evidence, Bob merely repeats yet AGAIN his oft-debunked claim that S.L. MacGregor Mathers allegedly created and practiced Bob's New Age "astral initiation."<br /><br />Where's the proof, Bob?<br /><br />I wonder if Robert Zink will EVER seriously debate his philosophical positions with the rest of the Golden Dawn community in a fraternal and factual manner.<br /><br />Has this Sideshow not gone far enough already, Bob?<br /><br />Intelligent readers begin to wonder if you even understand what legitimate debate really is all about.<br /><br />Repeating the same "talking points" over and over like a broken record is beginning to make one wonder if you should not instead be leading a "Short Bus Golden Dawn."<br /><br />David GriffinImperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-85308896112208269082011-04-27T13:54:50.875-07:002011-04-27T13:54:50.875-07:00Over on his EOGD blog, Bob Zink just wrote an inte...Over on his EOGD blog, Bob Zink just wrote an interesting informational article on Enochian magick. However, true to form, Bob could not resist adding:<br /><br />"This process depends on a trained and empowered Hierophant, and can, in fact, be performed in full Temple “astrally” to allow the elemental link to exist for members who live hundreds or even thousands of miles from a Temple.<br /><br />Only the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn provides legitimate astral initiation around the world. The use of the angelic forces is applied and guarantees the initiation is effective and safe and always in the LIGHT. "<br /><br />I have to hand it to Robert Zink. <br /><br />Despite all the magical talent we have in the Golden Dawn community, there is no one other than Frater Zink who can turn even Enochian Magick into a:"Million Dollar Bob Infomercial".Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-27182772160476007742011-04-23T21:42:11.175-07:002011-04-23T21:42:11.175-07:00@ Jason on Self-Initiation
There is no perfect su...@ Jason on Self-Initiation<br /><br />There is no perfect substitute for traditional Golden Dawn initiation. The transfer of energies from the energetic body of the Hierophant to the energetic body of the candidate represents and absolutely unique and unsurpassed opportunity for energetic development.<br /><br />With that said, however, there is doubtlessly a great deal of spiritual and energetic growth that can be accomplished by the systematic invocation and banishing of the elemental, planetary, and zodiacal forces. This is why I wrote the Ritual Magic Manual.<br /><br />Are you referring, however, to the New Age style guided visualizations that have become popularized as "path working" or "self-initiation"?<br /><br />I consider this sort of New Age practice to be great for training the imagination, yet spiritually and energetically worthless.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-16914183179070818132011-04-23T21:20:18.659-07:002011-04-23T21:20:18.659-07:00excellent analysis Mr. Griffin. What is your stanc...excellent analysis Mr. Griffin. What is your stance on self-initiation. As a follower of my blog I know you know my stance on the issue but I was wondering where you lie on the concept.Parzival418https://www.blogger.com/profile/04541871425833621234noreply@blogger.com