tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post1179228518350698277..comments2023-09-01T10:08:28.177-07:00Comments on The Golden Dawn Blog: Enochian, the Sublime Language of AngelsImperator David Griffinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-60656596645011061802013-10-07T10:23:58.163-07:002013-10-07T10:23:58.163-07:00Perhaps I should have added to my last post the qu...Perhaps I should have added to my last post the question: has anyone from AO read this biography of Case and reviewed it? There are some very harsh claims about AO. or at least about AO at the time of Case's split from it -- a fact not to be wondered at, I guess, given the tension between Case and Moina Mathers. I'm not in the know enough to judge it but I also don't know where to find other views of the situation to supplement what I read there. The divisiveness I see among those whom I would think to be allies, at least ultimately, is disheartening at times...both in history and today...Dr. Jeevesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-61950613793894674542013-10-07T09:42:34.497-07:002013-10-07T09:42:34.497-07:00I just began reading the recent biography of Case ...I just began reading the recent biography of Case that Paul Clark wrote (Paul Foster Case. His Life and Works, 2013). Clark claims -- if I understand him correctly -- that Mathers mistakenly assumed that Dee and Kelly were the correct sources for Enochian magic but that in fact the proper (and better) Enochian sources derive from texts centuries earlier and based on Qabbalah. That's a sketch of how I understand Clark and I can't tell if that is just his position or one he derived from Case, though I think it is the latter from what he says. Does that have any merit in your view? Dr. Jeevesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-80000123376105160002013-10-02T11:00:56.256-07:002013-10-02T11:00:56.256-07:00Dear David, with regard to your previous article, ...Dear David, with regard to your previous article, you often associate magic with a scientific method. A scientific method presupposes "verifiable" results. With this in mind, I remember that Israel Regardie shared some of the basic rituals with the wide public, and much of his work is centered around the Middle Pillar ritual. I have experimented myself with the Middle Pillar ritual a couple of times I could experience and even feel at times the flow and seeminly balancing of some kind of vital energy. With this in mind, is there any specific ritual, with "verifiable results", that you could share with the wide community? It could be related with Enochian Calls or other parts of the Golden Dawn curriculum, of picked up from your book (I have got a copy myself). Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-83941064896442317782013-09-23T14:33:00.320-07:002013-09-23T14:33:00.320-07:00hmm if angels have to serve mankind while they are...hmm if angels have to serve mankind while they are far more advanced, they have to protect us, but they also may not like it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-35782514007060184402013-09-23T11:51:58.593-07:002013-09-23T11:51:58.593-07:00Have you seen the initiation rituals and all of th...Have you seen the initiation rituals and all of the equipment around them?Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-79293404833840557392013-09-21T21:26:57.569-07:002013-09-21T21:26:57.569-07:00Case took very little from the Golden Dawn. I have...Case took very little from the Golden Dawn. I have read his writings for 10 years.Patrick McCormicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-64664308398564773252013-09-21T21:24:53.664-07:002013-09-21T21:24:53.664-07:00I have looked at Cases writings for about 10 years...I have looked at Cases writings for about 10 years, he did not take much over from the Golden Dawn.Patrick McCormicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-53515516231041353702013-09-21T21:19:53.070-07:002013-09-21T21:19:53.070-07:00Paul Foster Case made corrections to the documents...Paul Foster Case made corrections to the documents before even joining, and David Allen Hulse has made corrections also.Patrick McCormicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-2878996777995030472013-09-19T11:36:52.372-07:002013-09-19T11:36:52.372-07:00Oh I see...And so at least some of the respect Cas...Oh I see...And so at least some of the respect Case gets, I take it, is actually owed to the Alpha Omega as well?<br /><br />I've not read much Case, but I also have the impression he might come under the mystical category more than the magickal also...Dr. Jeevesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-46872270036525321732013-09-19T10:43:10.015-07:002013-09-19T10:43:10.015-07:00You have correctly surmised my antipathy to Paul F...You have correctly surmised my antipathy to Paul Foster Case. It arises from all of the Alpha Omega material he incorporated into B.O.T.A. without permission.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-49216602806150416072013-09-19T10:03:26.728-07:002013-09-19T10:03:26.728-07:00Forgive my ignorance of the history of Golden Dawn...Forgive my ignorance of the history of Golden Dawn traditions... but as I have begun reading these posts, I have had the impression that Imperator Griffin does not think very highly of Paul Foster Case. I can't tell if that is only because of Case's attitude toward the Enochian magic or the fact that Case left or was kicked out (I have read both stories) of the GD or for other reasons. I am too new at this to have any opinion on the matter, so I was wondering about that reaction. Anyone else I have read who mentions Case usually does so with a good deal of respect. Would you be willing to say more about your opinion of Case -- so a newcomer to these practices could understand the issues somewhat? Or perhaps you just have some suggestions for reading...Thanks...Dr. Jeevesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-816278410326703092013-09-17T16:44:57.500-07:002013-09-17T16:44:57.500-07:00Many thanks to David Griffin for sharing his resea...Many thanks to David Griffin for sharing his research and for making the Enochian Angelic calls so accessible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-28327104784546262642013-09-16T13:46:03.420-07:002013-09-16T13:46:03.420-07:00I have always been curious about what position ang...I have always been curious about what position angels occupy in the Cosmic hierarchy. What purpose do they ultimately serve in the scheme of things? You hear that the angels protect us, but you also hear that the angels are vindictive against humanity. It would seem that you have to compare and contrast a thousand different mythologies to get any sort of understanding. Dana Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18035973110471769022noreply@blogger.com