tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post112432739482502771..comments2023-09-01T10:08:28.177-07:00Comments on The Golden Dawn Blog: Secret Chiefs UNVEILED (Part I): On the True Nature of the Secret ChiefsImperator David Griffinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-68931616363740245002013-07-12T11:07:12.044-07:002013-07-12T11:07:12.044-07:00After reading Parts I & II I have a better und...After reading Parts I & II I have a better understanding of why you are doing these expose's. It is a matter of oath as well as personal reasons. Blessings on this journey.LadyKildara13https://www.blogger.com/profile/10735165861548937787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-83184077182066272602013-07-08T01:34:32.238-07:002013-07-08T01:34:32.238-07:00We need to worry more about enlightening people on...We need to worry more about enlightening people on what holy really is. I have spoke to meany people and most thing that it is okay to have sex as much as you want if you are inlove, but this is false true holiness is to respect the gift of creation and only have intercourse to create new life and care for the being, to respect all life even the lesser life forms (and know even knowing sperm creates billions of new cells it is not okay to spead them they die in the body and more is created. If that was the case we would not stop for one second to try and appease the creaters. The wish for us to attend the bigger life forms as the ones chosen will tend to the cells. All life will be created. But to get back on track holiness is fading (less then one % of the earth is truly holy and the world will only get worse if we do not make a rar Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13850698038308646348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-73107731836236221372013-07-04T22:31:24.870-07:002013-07-04T22:31:24.870-07:00All of this while they demand rigid academic resea...All of this while they demand rigid academic research on the matter as it relates to the A.O., but have no problem passing off astral masters to their own members and Orders, without any such research at all. As I said earlier, this rigid academia they speak of, has no place in a purely MAGICAL order with physical Secret Chiefs who we will NOT expose, for obvious reasons, even if we could. As with Mathers, the contact made is not decided by anyone but the Chiefs, and even if our Imperator knew any of their real names, who in their right mind would even consider it proper at ALL to disclose such information! We are very lucky to have reestablished contact, & will certainly not put that Sacred Source of ageless wisdom out publically! This is simply common sense. Besides, even if he wanted to, do you really think the Chiefs would allow for such things to occur? And what do you think would happen to our Imperator if he did disclose such information? Nothing good, I'll tell you that much! I have been one of the very lucky and honored few to receive this new material, & I promise you (I have no reason to lie here folks) that it is VERY profoundly powerful Magick that came from an ancient source, there is simply NO WAY anyone could have just made this up. Again, had you showed up when invited, you would know this firsthand, but since you repeatedly deny the Olive Branch that has been extended to you, you really have no place speaking on it at all. It all boils down to power and politics for "ceratin" people in the "accepted & rightful" G.D. community, and shows no sign of changing anytime soon. I could go on & on, but there is just too much to even speak about, & it should be quite obvious by now just how hypocritical & ridiculous the arguments & issues being constantly offered by these people really are. Enough said. I would LOVE to see a G.D. community truly free of politics and dogma, but I just don't see these people coming to their senses anytime soon. It seems quite clear to me that many of these "Adepts" have not gone through the alchemical processes & changes necessary to be TRUE Adepts, regardless of title. <br />Fraternally in LVX,<br />Frater A.T.L.V.Frater A.T.L.V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01756745127981863043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-42404258154506405562013-07-04T22:26:15.607-07:002013-07-04T22:26:15.607-07:00Enough proof of the ridiculous flip flopping, back...Enough proof of the ridiculous flip flopping, back & forth, making one statement, then later making another completely contradictory statement, demanding rigid academic research of anything our Order states, but not applying that protocol to their own "theories", and so on, has already been pointed out by Nemesis and L.e.S., among others. The fact is, such academic research is neither plausible, nor at all apprpriate for a MAGICAL Order and the VERY secret nature of the physical Secret Chiefs of which this post is about, and I believe that point has been thoroughly made in Sincerus Renatus' article already, with valid and inarguable primary source proof, & with further logical points made already in the comments section. Asking for further proof about something that is not at all academic in nature is not only pointless and inappropriate, but just plain silly. If "certain" people want to continue arguing & denying the existence of the physical Secret Chiefs, it seems, at this point, that no amount of logic or even primary source proof will convince them otherwise. It is quite clear, in my opinion, that this "theory" is something that they need to hold on to in order to justify much of their teachings and years of their own "Third Order's" (SRIA) propaganda in order to not only discount the real Secret Chiefs & A.O., but also to not have to admit their own hypocrisy as far as their continued refernence to their "astral" contacts with Archangel Raphael, St. Germain, or whoever it is that they are claming to be channeling their own material from, as this clearly contradicts their own statements about "the dangers of channeling astral masters", and the power it gives to whoever is receiving the information, and the "abuse" it leads to. The real proof, considering the oral tradition of the passing of knowledge from the Secret Chiefs to the Order, has been stated, commented on, and testified about on several occasions already. And thats not all either. The critics have been invited on several occasions to examine this material for themselves, & make their own informed decisions on its legitimacy & power, as well as it's place in the Golden Dawn, yet they have continually refused to do so. There can only be one reason why this would be: it would discount much of their own material & theory, & force them to admit that they have been not only needlessly attacking us, but indeed only truly hurting themselves by passing on the oppurtunity to receive this knowledge for their own members benefit, & instead simply offering the same tired old arguments that they have been for years now. As I stated after the 2013 International Festival of G.D. Magicians, along with many of my fellow A.O. fraters & sorors, those of us who were actually there to examine & work with the newly released material from the Chiefs are the most valid & powerful prood of its authenticity & validity. Clearly this is simply just an attempt to take the attention off of "touchy & uncomfortable" questions which were posed to them recently, along with the exposing of the corruption of their puppetmasters and exclusionary tactics that have been recently brought to light. And not for nothing, as actually addressing these issues would expose so much hypocrisy & really, sheer hunger for control of the so called "G.D. Community", among other issues. How can they say on one hand that any Order with astral masters being channeled through its leaders is SO dangerous, yet continue to do it anyway through their Raphael/St. Germain "chiefs". And at the same time they say in one sentence something that clearly shows that historically, the original G.D. beleived in its physical Third Order, and in another sentence that there is no historical proof that there ever was physical chiefs? Frater A.T.L.V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01756745127981863043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-25628930299323957692013-07-04T04:20:05.835-07:002013-07-04T04:20:05.835-07:00Yeah. I saw that.
For the record, the Alpha Omega...Yeah. I saw that.<br /><br />For the record, the Alpha Omega does not interfere in the private life of our members in any way. They are free to do as they like, including to go where they like or buy what they like.<br /><br />This is quite clear in our order's manifesto that you can read here:<br /><br />http://www.golden-dawn.com/eu//displaycontent.aspx?pageid=631<br /><br />By the way, just to bring the discussion back to reality. There is no HOGD/AO boycott of anything. <br /><br />As a matter of fact, I actually recommended people to buy what now people are making up rumors about nonexistant "HOGD/AO boycotts."<br /><br />This seems to be "let's invent false stories about the Alpha Omega" week for some people.<br /><br />David Griffin<br />Imperator HOGD/AOImperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-81975952157127690172013-07-04T04:17:05.869-07:002013-07-04T04:17:05.869-07:00Yeah. I saw that.
For the record, the Alpha Omega...Yeah. I saw that.<br /><br />For the record, the Alpha Omega does not interfere in the private life of our members in any way. They are free to do as they like, including to go where they like or buy what they like.<br /><br />This is quite clear in our order's manifesto that you can read here:<br /><br />http://www.golden-dawn.com/eu//displaycontent.aspx?pageid=631<br /><br />By the way, just to bring the discussion back to reality. There is no boycott of anything. As a matter of fact, I actually recommended people to buy what is now allegedly being boycotting.<br /><br />This seems to be "let's invent false stories about the Alpha Omega" week for some people.<br /><br />David Griffin<br />Imperator HOGD/AOImperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-17384297020989953902013-07-04T03:46:49.563-07:002013-07-04T03:46:49.563-07:00Oh my Goddess! I have just been promoted by one bl...Oh my Goddess! I have just been promoted by one blogger to a one woman community organizing a community wide boycott, just because I (one person) refuse to buy something that smells fishy!<br /><br />Oooh. Beware the great and powerful Nemesis! <br /><br />Not only have I become a one woman walking boycott, but I am now accused even of being a member of HOGD AO. <br /><br />Let me clarify this. I am actually a member of Bast Temple of BIORC in Denver. Unlike certain cats I know, I don't happen to like the smell of fish though.Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-37636538586289611012013-07-03T21:54:14.105-07:002013-07-03T21:54:14.105-07:00Of course Pat Zalewksi will just ignore these repl...Of course Pat Zalewksi will just ignore these replies and continue saying that there is "no proof" that the Secret Chiefs exist while refusing to examine the magical evidence!<br /><br />After all, what else can he do?<br /><br />Admit that his entire approach to the Golden Dawn is mistaken and spiritually pretty worthless?Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-12323105754996691702013-07-03T21:52:45.889-07:002013-07-03T21:52:45.889-07:00Pat Zalewski keeps trying to measure oil with a ya...Pat Zalewski keeps trying to measure oil with a yardstick. How many inches of oil are there in a barrell?<br /><br />We are discussing the Secret Chiefs of a MAGICAL order.<br /><br />We are not talking about a "HISTORICAL" ORDER OF THE GOLDEN DAWN. The GD is not "historical". It is "magical."<br /><br />We are talking about a spiritual tradition. In a magical order what matters is spiritual development through magic.<br /><br />When it comes to the Secret Chiefs, Zalewksi keeps playing games by dismissing any and all magical and initiatic proof, and setting the yardstick for "proof" as purely historical.<br /><br />The historical yardstick should definitely be applied to a book like Farrell's "King Over the Water" because it claims to be academic history.<br /><br />That yardstick has no relevance to the teachings of the Secret Chiefs though.<br /><br />As my mama used to say "The proof is in the pudding!" and the Secret Chiefs have provided LOTS of pudding.<br /><br />They have provided supplemental, traditional Golden Dawn teachings and spiritual practices for each and every grade of the Golden Dawn.<br /><br />Want to know more? Read here what others have said who have inspected all of the new magic from the Secret Chiefs:<br /><br />http://hermetic-golden-dawn.blogspot.com/2013/04/proven-secret-chiefs-complete-golden.html<br /><br />Pat keeps playing these silly games because:<br /><br />1. He has not magic to offer his students other than what is published - only his own made up intellectual analysis.<br /><br />2. As far as proof, Pat has been invited TWICE to inspect the evidence for himself. He has not as that would bankrupt his self-invented intellectual inventions Pat calls second order material.<br /><br />In short, Pat Zalewski is heavily invested in the notion that the Secret Chiefs do not exist. Their very existence negates Pats entire "lets make up the Golden Dawn" project.<br />Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-1156996700589471132013-07-03T21:46:17.790-07:002013-07-03T21:46:17.790-07:00
Thank you, Pat Zalewski, for telling us how you R...<br />Thank you, Pat Zalewski, for telling us how you REALLY feel about Nick Farrell channelling his Astral Master Secret Chief Archangel Raphael!<br /><br />Flip-flop!<br /><br />Flip-flop!Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-16927323077611483872013-07-03T21:46:10.580-07:002013-07-03T21:46:10.580-07:00Pat Zalewski wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:15 am
&q...Pat Zalewski wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:15 am<br /><br />"Frankly many of us are sick of this secret chief nonsense which is frankly a wank for some sort of astral legitimacy that cannot be checked in the physical world. You want to control a temple and promise the keys to the kingdom then channel a secret chief (or more than one)."Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-15184719157823593762013-07-03T21:45:13.428-07:002013-07-03T21:45:13.428-07:00And now instead we have crakpots channelling Nick...And now instead we have crakpots channelling Nick Farrell's Astral Master Secret Chief Raphael instead of Mathers.<br /><br />Thank you, Mr. Zalewski, for putting this Astral Master Secret Chief Raphael crap back in its proper perspective.<br /><br />Flip-flop!<br /><br />Flip-flop!Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-43721288735225742922013-07-03T21:45:05.930-07:002013-07-03T21:45:05.930-07:00Pat Zalewski wrote on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:27 pm
&q... Pat Zalewski wrote on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:27 pm<br /><br />"When you ... open the door to astral ascended masters, you knock away the checks and balances within the system itself and open the door for it to be a religion, or something allied to it. ... We have seen enough crackpots channeling Mathers and secret chiefs all over the show and<br />we do not need any more."Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-34726853724272283542013-07-03T21:43:17.969-07:002013-07-03T21:43:17.969-07:00So much for Nick Farrell's Astral Master Secre...<br />So much for Nick Farrell's Astral Master Secret Chief Archangel Raphael fantasy, as well as Zalewski and Farrell both channelling him<br /><br />Flip-flop!<br /><br />Flip-flop!Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-91992221914866368632013-07-03T21:43:08.645-07:002013-07-03T21:43:08.645-07:00Pat Zalewski wrote on Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:21 am |
... Pat Zalewski wrote on Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:21 am |<br /><br />Subject: Raphael<br />"I have a zero tolerance for secret chiefs and for those that support leaders that claim them. They are pandering to their so called leaders fantasies....<br />If you have a leader that appears all well and good but sups with angelic beings or supports those that do then get rid of them as they will give heart ache later.<br />Pat"Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-22028809267891063832013-07-03T21:42:26.287-07:002013-07-03T21:42:26.287-07:00Oh. You mean like channelling Astral Master Secret...Oh. You mean like channelling Astral Master Secret Chiefs St. Germaine and Archangel Rahpael like Nick Farrell and you advocate today!<br /><br />Yep. I could not agree more. What you guys are advocating today is bound to lead to some crazy shit.<br /><br />Like you said on Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:33 pm :<br /><br />"The GD ... does not need channellers waiting for people to obey them...<br />What we do not need is a another cult with secret chiefs ruling it for sexual gratification" - Pat Zalewski<br /><br />Flip-flop!<br /><br />Flip-flop!Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-59343918408639484462013-07-03T21:42:14.358-07:002013-07-03T21:42:14.358-07:00Pat Zalewski wrote on Wed Jul 6, 2011 12:16 am |
...Pat Zalewski wrote on Wed Jul 6, 2011 12:16 am |<br /> <br />"Okay this stops now. No more posts of this ilk, or we end up like another forum we know of, where imagined states become reality - like Secret Chiefs."Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-42688180631646451432013-07-03T21:41:06.676-07:002013-07-03T21:41:06.676-07:00There is even more that Nick Farrell himself will ...There is even more that Nick Farrell himself will have to answer for in the afterlife...<br />Secret Chief Astral Master Raphael within the Golden Dawn is one of them!Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-56629862638682490282013-07-03T21:41:02.238-07:002013-07-03T21:41:02.238-07:00Nick Farrell wrote on Mon May 23, 2011 12:29 pm |...Nick Farrell wrote on Mon May 23, 2011 12:29 pm |<br /> <br />"There is a lot that Francis King will have to answer for in the afterlife...<br />astral masters and Steiner within the [Stella Matutina] is one of them."Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-41989070967775941962013-07-03T21:40:07.918-07:002013-07-03T21:40:07.918-07:00Wait a minute. Now you claim that it is an allegor...Wait a minute. Now you claim that it is an allegory for the Archangel Raphael.<br /><br />It turns out Farrell is a flip-flopper too!<br /><br />Flip-flop!<br /><br />Flip-flop!Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-87318810059377795222013-07-03T21:40:02.440-07:002013-07-03T21:40:02.440-07:00Nick Farrell wrote on Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:08 pm |...Nick Farrell wrote on Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:08 pm |<br /> <br />"The idea of secret chiefs in the flesh dishing out information is an allegory to finding the Invisible Order the real Rosicrucian order which is an allegory for our tradition."<br />Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-89908686822711680962013-07-03T21:39:16.716-07:002013-07-03T21:39:16.716-07:00Oh, so you said in 2009 again Mathers and Felkin d...Oh, so you said in 2009 again Mathers and Felkin did claim to meet the Secret Chiefs physically after all, unlike what you and Farrell argue to the contrary today!<br /><br />Flip-flop<br /><br />Flip-flopNemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-30710034644823639212013-07-03T21:39:03.704-07:002013-07-03T21:39:03.704-07:00Pat Zalewski wrote on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:26 am |
...Pat Zalewski wrote on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:26 am |<br /><br />"When you look at the old Order it is extremely complex. Westcott said he was in touch with the secret chiefs and Mathers said he lied and he was in touch with the secret Chiefs (Howe pp.210-211.) sound familiar? They were not lost though as Felkin had found them [physically] by 1906 (Howe p.256)."<br />Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-87480163486639815912013-07-03T21:38:18.855-07:002013-07-03T21:38:18.855-07:00
But both you and Farrell now claim that Mathers n...<br />But both you and Farrell now claim that Mathers never said this, but that the Secret Chiefs are just archangel Raphael that you guys channell!<br /><br />Or is it St. Germaine you guys are channelling this week like you said in your other post?<br /><br />Flip-flop!<br /><br />Flip-flop!Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8814337050017726886.post-53295428884753885642013-07-03T21:38:14.002-07:002013-07-03T21:38:14.002-07:00Pat Zalewski wrote on Thu Jul 9, 2009 1:51 pm:
&q... Pat Zalewski wrote on Thu Jul 9, 2009 1:51 pm:<br /><br />"Secret chiefs turned up whom he [Mathers] claimed to have seen in the flesh..."Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028905630218999918noreply@blogger.com